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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32775 on: April 28, 2020, 10:27:31 PM »

The GOP is trying to kill as many Americans as possible.



Yeah, because high deaths = votes

Ask Lyndon J.

Who’s doing the dying?

Who do you think work in the meat processing plants?

Most of those folks wouldn’t vote GOP anyway and the nursing home cohort already voted GOP and culling them will save a mint in Social Security and Medicare costs.

Grow up, boy.



PROCESS statements more efficiently.   Please. 

It's all about the propoganda.

Dont believe it?  Listen to your legislators who call your President a murderer daily.

On which days do you not think that Trump is personally responsible for more deaths than were necessary?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32776 on: April 28, 2020, 10:28:54 PM »

Talks of body counts may be morbid....



attaboiii.....

Death is morbid, Kid.

Whether we are discussing smoking, 9-11, Vietnam, or COVID-19, deaths are morbid.

Not a reason to not discuss it, just in context.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32777 on: April 28, 2020, 11:25:39 PM »



So hard to keep track of those pesky details...
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32778 on: April 28, 2020, 11:44:02 PM »

“Special Report with Bret Baier” finished the month as the No. 1 show in cable news, as coronavirus task force briefings often coincide with the newscast. “Special Report” averaged 5.3 million daily viewers, followed by “The Five” with an average daily audience of 4.7 million.


“Tucker Carlson Tonight,” “Hannity,” “The Story with Martha MacCallum” and “The Ingraham Angle” rounded out the top six, as MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” finished seventh as the most-watched, non-FNC program. No CNN shows finished among the top 15.

Daytime programs “Bill Hemmer Reports,” “The Daily Briefing with Dana Perino” and “Outnumbered Overtime with Harris Faulkner” had their highest-rated months ever in both total viewers and the key demo.

“The Greg Gutfeld Show” finished April as the most-watched late-night program in all of TV, averaging 2.9 million total viewers – ahead of “CBS’ Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” NBC’s The “Tonight Show starring Jimmy Fallon” and ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live.”

“MediaBuzz,” hosted by Howard Kurtz, averaged 2.1 million viewers to beat CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” which averaged 1.7 million viewers.

All data courtesy of Nielsen Media Research




heh


good job by Maddow
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32779 on: April 28, 2020, 11:52:22 PM »

“In addition to meat shortages, this is a serious food waste issue,” Tyson claimed in an open letter published as a full-page ad in Sunday’s New York Times, Washington Post and Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. “Farmers across the nation simply will not have anywhere to sell their livestock to be processed, when they could have fed the nation.”

“It will have a devastating impact to our farmers,” Duffy said.

He noted that “the slaughterhouses are backing up, which means animals have nowhere to go and unfortunately that means some of them will be euthanized.

“It will be huge economic blow to our farmers and it’s heartbreaking when you see the long lines at food banks with miles of cars waiting for food and then on the other hand euthanizing the animals or dumping milk,” he continue



https://www.foxnews.com/media/more-meat-will-be-out-of-stock-at-grocers-as-plants-close
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32780 on: April 29, 2020, 12:25:34 AM »

Another horrendous aspect of trump’s utter failure, but he was already making meat more deadly before the virus. It’s a product of him being a mentally ill greedy bastard, today’s mainline republican in a nut shell.

The shell is cracking and it turns out he’s quite a nut.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32781 on: April 29, 2020, 12:58:13 AM »

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"There has been so much unnecessary death in this country, it could've been stopped, and it could have been stopped short, but somebody (Donald J. Trump), a long time ago (during the first three months of 2020), it seems, decided not to do it that way."


- Donald J. Trump's confession, Rose Garden Briefing, April 27, 2020
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32782 on: April 29, 2020, 02:13:46 AM »

And this is why ICE needs to go away, even if one insists that their services are required:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article242322081.html?fbclid=IwAR1ZbfFM1Y1BcE7bMoJsUaFYPkd_7B7WFBuRtsHaRO8leYLJKczGk-CGYPc

ICE tells federal judge the court has no authority over its detention practices

They believe they are above/beyond the law, answerable only to their own chain of command.

They're wrong.

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U.S. immigration officials have told a Miami federal judge that the court has no authority over how the government chooses to detain and release immigration detainees, and that filing twice-weekly accountability reports to the court would be “unduly burdensome.”

Over the weekend, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement filed a response objecting to a recommendation made by Magistrate Judge Jonathan Goodman late Wednesday night. Goodman’s 69-page recommendation — which will be reviewed by U.S. District Judge Marcia G. Cooke this week — says ICE should “substantially” reduce detainee populations at three South Florida detention centers as COVID-19 positive cases continue to climb behind bars.

“The report’s directives as to how ICE is to exercise its detention authority exceeds this court’s jurisdiction to adjudicate cases and controversies,” ICE attorneys said. “There is no basis for this court’s oversight of ICE’s administration of its sound policies.”

"And only we are qualified to decide if our policies are sound and we have determined that they are, so go away."
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32783 on: April 29, 2020, 05:29:48 AM »

Millions of hogs and cattle euthanized
Sad.

Yeah, they would've been much happier being slaughtered...
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« Reply #32784 on: April 29, 2020, 05:31:00 AM »

True savior.

Tell that to the 55K Americans newly installed in cemeteries ...
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32785 on: April 29, 2020, 07:09:40 AM »

Back when I had some interaction with what was then INS, the concept was that  immigrants detained at the border had never officially entered the country (despite the fact they were in the country -- NYC in the cases I handled).  And therefore they didn't have rights under the Constitution.  No right to a lawyer, etc -- we we permitted to be there, but had to tippytoe as that access be arbitrarily removed at any time.  I probably mentioned before, but even the immigration court judges couldn't actually compel the guards to bring someone to the detention facility.  So a few Somalis went missing in the system, and we tried gingerly to locate them.

Decisions were often politically based.  So back in the late 80's, almost no one from El Salvador received political asylum, as their lives were only being threatened by right wing death squads we supported, while Nicaraguans had a genuine chance of asylum as they were under threaten from commie Sandinistas.  Sad that that was how people's lives and futures were being evaluated. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32786 on: April 29, 2020, 07:21:44 AM »

The GOP is trying to kill as many Americans as possible.



Yeah, because high deaths = votes

Ask Lyndon J.

Who’s doing the dying?

Who do you think work in the meat processing plants?

Most of those folks wouldn’t vote GOP anyway and the nursing home cohort already voted GOP and culling them will save a mint in Social Security and Medicare costs.

Grow up, boy.



PROCESS statements more efficiently.   Please. 

It's all about the propoganda.

Dont believe it?  Listen to your legislators who call your President a murderer daily.

Read for comprehension.

Your President fucked up when it counted and he has the blood of thousands on his hands. That ain’t propaganda that is fact.

Grow up, boy.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32787 on: April 29, 2020, 07:25:20 AM »

And this is why ICE needs to go away, even if one insists that their services are required:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article242322081.html?fbclid=IwAR1ZbfFM1Y1BcE7bMoJsUaFYPkd_7B7WFBuRtsHaRO8leYLJKczGk-CGYPc

ICE tells federal judge the court has no authority over its detention practices

They believe they are above/beyond the law, answerable only to their own chain of command.

They're wrong.

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U.S. immigration officials have told a Miami federal judge that the court has no authority over how the government chooses to detain and release immigration detainees, and that filing twice-weekly accountability reports to the court would be “unduly burdensome.”

Over the weekend, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement filed a response objecting to a recommendation made by Magistrate Judge Jonathan Goodman late Wednesday night. Goodman’s 69-page recommendation — which will be reviewed by U.S. District Judge Marcia G. Cooke this week — says ICE should “substantially” reduce detainee populations at three South Florida detention centers as COVID-19 positive cases continue to climb behind bars.

“The report’s directives as to how ICE is to exercise its detention authority exceeds this court’s jurisdiction to adjudicate cases and controversies,” ICE attorneys said. “There is no basis for this court’s oversight of ICE’s administration of its sound policies.”

"And only we are qualified to decide if our policies are sound and we have determined that they are, so go away."

Achtung, bitches!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32788 on: April 29, 2020, 09:28:19 AM »

The legal scholar who shaped Trump’s coronavirus response defends his theory
“Has anybody decided to shut down the economy for six months every year for flu season?”


Prof Epstein was initially ridiculed for his March 16 prediction that only 500 Americans would die from Covid-19.  When that was wildly wrong he switched to saying that he made a simple calculation mistake and meant to say 50K.

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If I’m correct in what I said, the dominant model has about a one percent chance of being true, and my model, forget about the differences, is essentially you’re talking about normal flu season, 30,000 to 50,000 deaths, is 99 percent true. Has anybody decided to shut down the economy for six months every year for flu season?

He still maintains this incredibly wrong idea that Covid-19 is just another flu.  Well, it's not, in that it's more infectious, more lethal and nobody has any immunity to it.
It's a pandemic on the order of 1919, or could be without adequate measures.

But despite his 99% certitude that he's right on March 31, one month later he's already wrong with the number of deaths already hitting 60K and counting.  But this death toll was certainly mitigated a good deal by the lockdown and economic shutdowns which occurred, albeit belated and haphazard.  Epstein advocated against any lockdown and predicted 30K- 50K deaths while doing nothing special and pretending this was just another flu.   Meaning he's not just wrong about 50K, but we would have almost certainly had 100's of thousands of deaths following his prescriptions, if not millions.

In other words, his whole premise, model, prescription of doing nothing and everything else he thought about the disease was hugely wrong and would have been terribly disastrous.

Epstein was basically the Heritage Foundation point guy for Covid-19 and advocated doing next to nothing to combat it, which likely influenced much of the Right and quite probably Trump's early and continued downplaying.

Epstein was my constitutional law professor (if I started 2 or years later it would have been Obama!) and his primarily skill is making arguments, and then using bluster and certitude to support that.  Ironically, he was well-known for his spittle and spraying when talking in an agitated fashion, his usual means of communicating.  Basically everyone avoided sitting in the first three rows in his lecture halls.  Sure hope he's been masked despite his belief it isn't necessary.  Though likely he's like that WI election official telling everyone it's safe to vote while covered head to toe in full protection gear.

He's a libertarian who advocates a form of maximum utility which favors above all else plutocratic use of wealth.  He's a hardcore ideological cretin, certain of his own brilliance.


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But now you’ve got $2 billion of extra money. Where’s it coming from? You could print it. Well, if you always make money by printing it, we’d have hyperinflation. You can borrow it, but then somebody has to pay the interest. You could raise taxes, but that’s not going to happen.

I'm sure he means $2T.  Interest is super-low, even negative.  And why can't you raise taxes, except the the President and Senate are GOP controlled for now. W e cut taxes for no reason to give wealthy people $1T.  In an emergency, why not take that back and more?

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They’re trying to give you $2 trillion in stimulus. That’s not real production, that’s a wealth transfer. Wealth transfers always make you, in aggregate, poorer and not richer, in wealth. You just hope the short-term utility gains from the transfer will offset the long-term wealth effects, which is the basic theory you have to go on for these things to work, but you can only do it once.

More bluster and BS.  I never understand why anyone thinks it's not good for poor people to have money.  They tend to spend it quickly, out of need, which helps the economy qucikly.  Wealthy people otoh can decide not to spend for quite some time during a crisis, or tend to spend on lavish stuff like gold-plated garbage cans and yachts.  I'd much rather have millions spending money on food and clothing and electronics. Which of course makes their lives better.
Who knows or cares why he thinks you can only do it once.
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« Reply #32789 on: April 29, 2020, 09:43:48 AM »

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It’s also a matter of progressive politics, which, as you know, I regard as an extremely dangerous form of political ideology because these people are much more inclined to big government, much more inclined to see things as always being out of the ordinary, always reading small changes as though they’re about to become exponential ones.

This is true with respect to climate change and it’s true with respect to this, and so, since they have the exponential model, they think that the costs of delay are absolutely tragically high. If you took the conventional model that I did, you would treat this just the way you did the flu that we had in 2009-2010, which turned out to be normal.

So he admits that his response is politically, rather than scientifically or medically, based.

And the virus can indeed infect and kill exponentially, as one person on average infects two more and that keeps spreading throughout the population.

Epstein is one of those people who will never admit to be wrong about anything.  Will just shift gears in his argument and double down. 
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