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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bambu.]

When will "David Dorn Day" be declared?

When will David Dorn be made a hero?

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/politics/voter-registration-protests/index.html

On the topic of apathy.

While there is still ample time for the pro-apathy folks to get active and push their agenda, I don't think they have the energy to get it done.

[josh]

When will "David Dorn Day" be declared?

When will David Dorn be made a hero?

When you start to push it, see how far you get.

Until then, you are just an asshole trying to make trouble.

You only stand up for what you pretend to believe where you think it is safe.

[LarryBnDC]

What Do We Want?

Reduce police budgets and reallocate  those funds to crucial and oft-neglected areas like education, public health, housing, and youth services!

When Do We Want It?

NOW!

[josh]

More on Georgia:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/politics/georgia-primary-election-delays/index.html

[bambu.]

Dorn was killed by criminals.  They have been caught and will be punished.  What's to protest?

Floyd was killed by police with the full authority of society acting as criminals.

You don't see a distinction?

No.

Two deceased Black men.

One was killed by a policeman.

The other was killed by a criminal.

The first has prompted an outcry against a broken authoritarian system.

What should the second prompt an outcry against?

"Black lives only seeming to matter when the perpetrator is White".

No.

Black Lives Matter when it is injustice causing them.

The protests apply when a black policeman does it.

It applies when the black person is killed, but the system chooses not to pursue it.

It's about SOCIETAL RACISM. The killing of Dorn was not about societal racism.

Still waiting for your answer to whether you understand the notion that there is no such thing as "objective."

David Dorn's alleged murder was unjust, as unjust as any other.

I saw what I saw on COPS over many years.
I saw how the police system works in America.
I saw real cops, including female ones.

Are you trying to tell me it was all fake?

[barton]

do you think that approach will take you into a bubble (or an information silo,  as some call it)?   Does it make sense to put down the National Review on occasion,  and pick up The Guardian,  or Mother Jones?   Or should we all just read straight news,  like AP?

This is my thought as well. I read as much as I can about issues of the day, and from as many sources as I can fit into a given day. I know plenty of people who love their bubbles and silos. One thing they usually don't like, however, is to be asked questions about their assertions and opinions. I just think it's responsible to entertain opposing views, but without necessarily accepting either one.

Asking questions when I read allows me to assertain what is likely fact, and is likely spin.

Someone should be a Socratic gadfly,  yes.   Sometimes facts lay embedded in a web of assumptions,  e.g. that numbers are meaningful.   Lying,  for example - a good journalist shouldn't just count them,  but also seek to show which ones are the most harmful.   IOW a journalist can't really give a useful view of reality without herself valuing certain things.   Only a robot could be completely neutral.   

[LarryBnDC]

Dorn was killed by criminals.  They have been caught and will be punished.  What's to protest?

Floyd was killed by police with the full authority of society acting as criminals.

You don't see a distinction?

No.
No full authority of society, society is obviously revolted.

Two deceased Black men.
One a model citizen...seemingly 'forgotten'.
The other almost exalted to 'sainthood'..."global anti-racism protests".

Now apparently a "George Floyd Day" is being proposed.
My new no1 radio host, Benny says "No"...will be detailing 'violent criminal record' today.

What does that have to do with him being murdered by four police in full daylight and on camera?

The citizen was killed by a criminal.

Allegedly murdered by one police officer, aided and abetted by 3 others.

What does his lengthy and violet criminal record including armed home invasion where he held a gun to the stomach of a woman, and several stints in prison have to do with his killing? [All a matter of public record and now the funeral is over being detailed in the global media].
Not much except why he encountered the police at all.

Apparently some African Americans are none too happy about his seemingly being made a martyr and 'saint'.

Even got a "George Floyd Day" in Texas.

Allegedly murdered on camera.

This ain’t Simi Valley.

[LarryBnDC]

And this is the tricky part, how do you know if you heard news without nuance? It could be straight reporting. I think we have to trust what we see in the world as limited a perspective as that may be, and do our best to apply common sense to it. And again, I understand you could make the same comment and we would be 180" in disagreement.

Guys, we are talking about a STATE MEDIA level of disinformation coming from the Right.

Take the case of the 75 year old man in Buffalo who was violently shoved by police and is now in critical condition in the hospital.  We all saw the horrible video.  He was assaulted, and almost killed, blood coming out of his ears as he laid on the ground.

Enter OAN, in a report that draws absurd connections between the man and "Antifa" because they contend (with no evidence, citing only "sources") that he was using his phone to monitor police scanners and to block their communications, supposedly a tactic "Antifa" uses.  It then makes the leap from that not even tenuous connection to contend that his assault was a false flag operation, staged to make the police look bad.

Watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZrdldD8yeQ

There is so much here...the total lack of sources cited for what they contend.  Then their contentions not even pointing to what they say it does.  The report title and banner headline leave no room for interpretation; he was an ANTIFA PROVOCATEUR!  No question.  And of course, therefore it means the whole attack was staged...

Then enter Trump who repeats the totally baseless speculation (ie lies) on twitter.  Rinse, repeat.  Same thing happens with FOX.  And this is EVERY DAY these guys pumping out this total bullshit.

The idea that CNN is in that category is so laughably off base and without evidence that the contention is in itself biased.

Totally agree. That old codger was a threat to nobody. Walk around him Mr. Policeman.

I'm conservative. But that's not the dirty word some folks make it out to be.

Sorry but these days that says accomplice to me

Hate will do that.

Good way to dismiss my opinion based on an emotion you ascribe to me.

Why should I love the GOP? They hate me and mine and you can see that through legislation.

[Hamilton Samuels]

do you think that approach will take you into a bubble (or an information silo,  as some call it)?   Does it make sense to put down the National Review on occasion,  and pick up The Guardian,  or Mother Jones?   Or should we all just read straight news,  like AP?

This is my thought as well. I read as much as I can about issues of the day, and from as many sources as I can fit into a given day. I know plenty of people who love their bubbles and silos. One thing they usually don't like, however, is to be asked questions about their assertions and opinions. I just think it's responsible to entertain opposing views, but without necessarily accepting either one.

Asking questions when I read allows me to assertain what is likely fact, and is likely spin.

Someone should be a Socratic gadfly,  yes.   Sometimes facts lay embedded in a web of assumptions,  e.g. that numbers are meaningful.   Lying,  for example - a good journalist shouldn't just count them,  but also seek to show which ones are the most harmful.   IOW a journalist can't really give a useful view of reality without herself valuing certain things.   Only a robot could be completely neutral.

Well...who programmed the robot?

Neutrality in and of itself as a journalistic goal would require some bias, don't you think?

Every media outlet has a bias of some sort. So, read as much as you can. Listen to as much as you can. Watch carefully what you are shown. And ask questions. The questions are more important than the answers.

[LarryBnDC]

Dorn was killed by criminals.  They have been caught and will be punished.  What's to protest?

Floyd was killed by police with the full authority of society acting as criminals.

You don't see a distinction?

No.

Two deceased Black men.

One was killed by a policeman.

The other was killed by a criminal.

The first has prompted an outcry against a broken authoritarian system.

What should the second prompt an outcry against?

"Black lives only seeming to matter when the perpetrator is White".

Fuvknyou! You don’t give a shit about any black person.

[LarryBnDC]

When will "David Dorn Day" be declared?

When will David Dorn be made a hero?

The fact you even know his name should tell you something... but it won’t.

[bambu.]

When will "David Dorn Day" be declared?

When will David Dorn be made a hero?

When you start to push it, see how far you get.

Until then, you are just an asshole trying to make trouble.

You only stand up for what you pretend to believe where you think it is safe.

If White people in America stay silent, now they're being called violent.
If they give an opinion when asked, they get sacked from their job and also their radio job...like the guy at the NBA who said "All lives matter".
Safe?  David Dorn tried the alternative.

[josh]

Dorn was killed by criminals.  They have been caught and will be punished.  What's to protest?

Floyd was killed by police with the full authority of society acting as criminals.

You don't see a distinction?

No.

Two deceased Black men.

One was killed by a policeman.

The other was killed by a criminal.

The first has prompted an outcry against a broken authoritarian system.

What should the second prompt an outcry against?

"Black lives only seeming to matter when the perpetrator is White".

No.

Black Lives Matter when it is injustice causing them.

The protests apply when a black policeman does it.

It applies when the black person is killed, but the system chooses not to pursue it.

It's about SOCIETAL RACISM. The killing of Dorn was not about societal racism.

Still waiting for your answer to whether you understand the notion that there is no such thing as "objective."

David Dorn's alleged murder was unjust, as unjust as any other.

Nope.

If a member of the organized group in charge of safety kills somebody unarmed, it is more unjust than when a criminal does it.

The former group is entrusted with our safety. The latter group is already "outlaw."

Not the same.

And when said organized group consistently kills people of one race at a higher rate than the other, the injustices are multiplied.

[bambu.]

Dorn was killed by criminals.  They have been caught and will be punished.  What's to protest?

Floyd was killed by police with the full authority of society acting as criminals.

You don't see a distinction?

No.
No full authority of society, society is obviously revolted.

Two deceased Black men.
One a model citizen...seemingly 'forgotten'.
The other almost exalted to 'sainthood'..."global anti-racism protests".

Now apparently a "George Floyd Day" is being proposed.
My new no1 radio host, Benny says "No"...will be detailing 'violent criminal record' today.

What does that have to do with him being murdered by four police in full daylight and on camera?

The citizen was killed by a criminal.

Allegedly murdered by one police officer, aided and abetted by 3 others.

What does his lengthy and violet criminal record including armed home invasion where he held a gun to the stomach of a woman, and several stints in prison have to do with his killing? [All a matter of public record and now the funeral is over being detailed in the global media].
Not much except why he encountered the police at all.

Apparently some African Americans are none too happy about his seemingly being made a martyr and 'saint'.

Even got a "George Floyd Day" in Texas.

Allegedly murdered on camera.

This ain’t Simi Valley.

Legal speak.
It's alleged murder until the accused is found guilty?
The trials will be jury trials?

Going by the autopsy report...the accused murderer might not be found guilty of murder...courts can be 'lotteries'.