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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

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DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bodiddley]

Lockdowns which were not strict enough, not complied with enough, and ended too early.

So new outbreaks are inevitably occurring, primarily in states with GOP governors willing to listen to Trump and open too early, and with lots of Trumpeters not willing to wear masks.  (but the US in general has done a terrible job and had a mental block on combating the virus -- led by non-masked Trump)

No surprise, as Larry & I keep repeating.

[bodiddley]

Brett Giroir, a Health and Human Services assistant secretary, told lawmakers Tuesday the next step is testing patient samples in large batches to stretch limited supplies, which would expand U.S. screening between fivefold and tenfold.

Instead of testing each person individually, health workers would pool samples from 50, 100 or more people from the same office or school, for example. A negative result would clear everyone, while a positive would require each person to be individually re-tested.

Interesting, if effective.
I hadn't heard of this before.

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We have the most corrupt and inept Presdient in our history, who represents a deadly threat to the people of this country in so many ways...

He really doesnt

You’re a cultist...

If someone wanted to argue that the deaths in March and April are not on Trump because there was nothing he could have done to avoid them (and kiidcarter8 did so) they would be cultist Trumpists.

If someone really wants to argue now that the increased infections and deaths are not directly on Trump after he pushed for reopening and did nothing during lockdown to prepare for those reopenings and openly advocated for less testing and not wearing masks, they are just a fucking brainless imbecile.

The two are the same thing you say?  Well, I guess I can't argue with that.

[barton]

Just to clarify:  the metric for a pandemic's effect is HOSPITALIZATIONS,  and not positive tests.   


Thanks, Papi
Clue in bodiddley

Your posts are increasingly reliably inane and unintelligible.

FIFY.

Yes,  valuing the metric of ICU beds in no way suggests that widespread testing is not also vital to the epidemiology. 

[Hairy Lime]

Trump demanded prison sentences for 'disgraceful vandalism,' also considers Jackson his favorite president...   

Wow.   Let that last bit sink in.   Andrew Jackson.    Good God,  is this some newer, more shrill dogwhistle?   The president who's trying to convince PoC that he's their man picks Andrew Genocide Jackson as fave.

Yeah.
He has a portrait of Jackson in the office.

No President was ever screwed worse than Andrew Jackson in his first run for the office. When he finally won 4 years later he did it as the “ people’s choice “.

Bull shit. For someone who supports the electoral college to make that argument is absurd. Jackson lost in the House under the rules set out in the Constitution.

.LOL Jackson had the most electoral votes but not a majority. Henry Clay( himself a slave owner) threw his votes to Quincey Adams in exchange for the cabinet position of Secretary of State( the Adams’ presidency was a disaster and Jackson spent four years of campaigning against it.) In 1828, despite bitter and slanderous attacks against his wife, Rachael, Jackson  won easily( and lost his wife to  death)and was re-elected again in 1832.
He is a natural presidential hero to Trump
and to anyone who aspires to love of country and the Constitution) except today’s democrat party which was founded by him

Yep, the House followed the Constitutional process, including the 12th Amendment.

No it didn’t. It followed the elitism of the the times And that includes the politics.of it. 

As our resident Constitutional scholar you should know that when no one gets a majority in the electoral college the election is decided by the house, choosing from among the top 3 candidates. In 1824 that left Clay out. He had a lot of support in the House however - he was.the Speaker - and he and his supporters backed Adams. The Constitution sets the process. It was followed.

Meanwhile anyone who uses "screwed worse" in reference to any presidential candidate and does not immediately respond Samuel Tilden knows nothing of US History. Surely you have Googled him by now.

Jackson was the first to embrace the notion put forth by Jefferson  that government needed to get out of people’s way while contending the government was acting in the opposite way.
Put simply Jackson maintained entrenched interests (bureaucrats) in places of power (setting regulations) can become dangerous to the liberties of the American people.
No wonder democrats no longer like him.
But Trump does.

History caught up with Jackson. He was a slaveholder, a murderer and a genocide, and your misty-eyed hagiography won't change that. But yes, no wonder Trump likes him.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/politics/aaron-zelinsky-roger-stone/index.html

The most innocent and generous explanations for Barr's actions on Stone, Lafayette Square and the SDNY are that they are symptoms of gross mismanagement.  Barr lied multiple times on the Berman firing.  You can not really come up with a reasonable explanation for his doing so other than that both actions, the firing and the lying about how and who was doing it, were to protect Trump politically.  But lets just say that wasn't the reason, that it was mismanagement, not rank corruption.

The fact is that mismanagement, if that was all it was, has now created the clear impression of a politically tainted DOJ, and throws all of their decisions from this point forward into question.  Any investigation of anyone related to the Obama Administration for example (and Barr has a bunch on the fire) will be seen as motivated to grease the way for Trump's reelection.  So if those investigations were well predicated on real evidence of criminality, the current situation is a serious threat to the rule of law.

The only possible way for the DOJ to retain some of its credibility would be for Barr to resign.  And Barr, whose only interest should be the even-handed but unflinching prosecution of wrong-doing, should be eager to do so in order for that work to continue.

But he won't do that.  And Trump won't ask him to do that.  And he won't even testify to Congress under oath to explain his actions.  And that in and of itself is evidence of Corruption.  With a capital C.

[Hairy Lime]

Trump demanded prison sentences for 'disgraceful vandalism,' also considers Jackson his favorite president...   

Wow.   Let that last bit sink in.   Andrew Jackson.    Good God,  is this some newer, more shrill dogwhistle?   The president who's trying to convince PoC that he's their man picks Andrew Genocide Jackson as fave.

Yeah.
He has a portrait of Jackson in the office.

No President was ever screwed worse than Andrew Jackson in his first run for the office. When he finally won 4 years later he did it as the “ people’s choice “.

Bull shit. For someone who supports the electoral college to make that argument is absurd. Jackson lost in the House under the rules set out in the Constitution.

.LOL Jackson had the most electoral votes but not a majority. Henry Clay( himself a slave owner) threw his votes to Quincey Adams in exchange for the cabinet position of Secretary of State( the Adams’ presidency was a disaster and Jackson spent four years of campaigning against it.) In 1828, despite bitter and slanderous attacks against his wife, Rachael, Jackson  won easily( and lost his wife to  death)and was re-elected again in 1832.
He is a natural presidential hero to Trump
and to anyone who aspires to love of country and the Constitution) except today’s democrat party which was founded by him

Yep, the House followed the Constitutional process, including the 12th Amendment.

No it didn’t. It followed the elitism of the the times And that includes the politics.of it. 
...
But Trump does.

Once again, making a baseless claim with no evidence.

Wallow in your ignorance  Josh.
Or whatever your name is these days.

Good one Dick Vitale. Or jimmengle. Or ESPN. Or whatever your name is these days.

[kidcarter8]

Just to clarify:  the metric for a pandemic's effect is HOSPITALIZATIONS,  and not positive tests.   


Thanks, Papi
Clue in bodiddley

Your posts are increasingly inane and unintelligible.

Not sure why you're dragging me into this, but I've said that very same thing before.  That I'd like to see data on COVID hospitalizations not just deaths and positive test results.  I've mentioned the deaths a lot because that's obviously an awful result with tremendous impact. 

But I had a lengthy post recently saying we focus too much on deaths and not enough on people who get sick from the virus and survive, people who experience various degrees of physical problems including a % who thought they would die or came close to it.

We need to test a lot and find positive cases so they can be quarantined, not infect others, be monitored, and so public health officials know what is going on and can respond appropriately.  But between Deaths and Positives, there's a large group of Hospitalizations that should be tabulated and reported.  And of course that would make Trump and his Admin look even worse on their failed response.

And to get at the Actual Infection rate, multiply the Confirmed Positives by a factor of 5x to 10x.  Most likely between 10M - 20M Americans have been infected by Covid-19. 

No denying...COVID is a tough mother.

Good to remember.  Not your average virus.  Not an average crisis for a president.

[kidcarter8]

We won't know for a week, Kid. Ditto the race in NY and maybe a couple others.

Yeah.  Good advertising for mail instance.  Imagine waiting a week or 2 or 3 after November 3.
Heh.

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No denying...COVID is a tough mother.

So why then is Trump denying it?

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We won't know for a week, Kid. Ditto the race in NY and maybe a couple others.

Yeah.  Good advertising for mail instance.  Imagine waiting a week or 2 or 3 after November 3.
Heh.

Would be happy to do that if it means everyone who wants to vote gets that opportunity, and all votes are counted.

I'm sure you were perfectly happy with the results after the 2000 race was finally called.

[oilcan]

The core question for those who favor democracy is not speed of tabulation,  but equal access by all voters.   As Trump knows perfectly well,  mail voting improves access for many voters,  many in the demographic that knows the GOP policies suck for them.   

[oilcan]

Zelinsky now works in the U.S. attorney’s office in Maryland, and his testimony will feature the extraordinary spectacle of a current prosecutor castigating decisions made by the leadership of the Justice Department where he still serves. The hearing is likely to add to scrutiny of Attorney General William Barr, who has alarmed Democrats in recent months with his efforts to scrutinize, and even undo, some of the results of Mueller’s Russia’s investigation.

“What I heard — repeatedly — was that Roger Stone was being treated differently from any other defendant because of his relationship to the president,” Zelinsky says in the prepared testimony...   

https://apnews.com/e2e0984ec974c5ab611d107e07f4e500

[kidcarter8]

Re:. Hospitalizations

Don't know what you have heard but seems the newly sick/hospitalized are less severe cases.

Nice to have some decent news for a change.

Now... what's with the renewed talk, the worry about the virus getting more severe when late fall/winter come - due to the temp change?

I thought that wasn't a factor.  Or was it just convenient at the time to say so?

[Hairy Lime]

We won't know for a week, Kid. Ditto the race in NY and maybe a couple others.

Yeah.  Good advertising for mail instance.  Imagine waiting a week or 2 or 3 after November 3.
Heh.

That is why we need to help states prepare for mail in voting. Money to hire more workers, invest in tech. We had to wait about a week for a declared winner in several statewide races because of counting ma ins, early voting and drop of voting. As much as I like election night drama I would rather have more people voting, and voting safely.