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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

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More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

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A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

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DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

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Huge disruption to the day.

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Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Echo4]

News Item

Two Paterson, New Jersey councilmen and two men linked to a councilmen’s campaign have been charged with election fraud, mail-in voting fraud, and illegal possession of mail-in ballots.

Late last week, New Jersey’s Attorney General Gurbir Grewal announced election fraud charges against Paterson City Councilman Michael Jackson (D), Councilman-elect Alex Mendez (D), Shelim Khalique, and Abu Razyen.

Just a little late, Ward.

I've posted this and we've discussed it.

I love how you ignore the other two arrested fraudster's party affiliation.

But if they are guilty (and it sure sounds like they are), I hope they throw the book at them twice. Once for the crime and the second for the stupidity of their timing.

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I'm sure the protest marches in Sydney must have been quite something in 1965.

[Echo4]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/politics/mike-pence-dallas-choir-no-masks-church-event/index.html



Having your masks on between songs is not enough! The air is full of your particulate while you are singing and inhaling to sing some more! And... half the audience wore masks?! WTF are they thinking?! Of course, they're doing this in Texas.

Dolts.

A choir of more than 100 people performed without masks at a robustly attended event in Texas at the First Baptist Church on Sunday that featured a speech by Vice President Mike Pence.

Nearly 2,200 people attended the "Celebrate Freedom Rally," in the Lone Star State, according to rally organizers, which has seen a severe surge in coronavirus cases since easing restrictions. The venue capacity for the indoor event was close to 3,000 attendees, organizers say.

Throughout the service, the members of the choir sang at full volume, behind an orchestra. Between songs, the choir members put their masks back on when they sat down, according to pool reports from the event. The members of the choir had space between them, but it was not clear if it was the recommended six feet.

Face masks at the event were "strongly encouraged," with signs posted around the venue signaling the suggestion. According to pool reports from the event, at least half of the crowd was wearing a face covering, an act which experts say can reduce the transmission of Covid-19 by as much as 50%.

[Echo4]

But Governor Abbott gets brownie points for this:

Abbott acknowledged Friday that he allowed bars in the state to reopen too soon.

[LarryBnDC]

Trump Administration has known about this since March:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

An operation to incentivize the killing of American and other NATO troops would be a significant and provocative escalation of what American and Afghan officials have said is Russian support for the Taliban, and it would be the first time the Russian spy unit was known to have orchestrated attacks on Western troops.

Any involvement with the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of American troops would also be a huge escalation of Russia’s so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.

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As of this moment, Trump has not authorized a single response.  Not one.  Not even a diplomatic complaint.

And two months after he was briefed on this, it apparently didn't come up in a call the two had, and Trump said he wanted to invite Putin to rejoin the G7.

This is the tough guy Trumpists are in love with...

He is a traitor.

The defense on this is that Trump was never briefed on this significant escalation of the war in Afghanistan perpetrated by our most active global rival.  Right.  That is some defense.

Either it is a huge indictment of the shoddy organization Trump has built around himself, its his officials reacting to his own incurious nature to just not tell him you know, important stuff, or they didn't tell him because they anticipated his non-reaction and knew this would be telling re: Trump's relationship to Putin.  Or, of course, its a lie.

But lie or not (and it very probably is a lie) it is just more evidence that really the US does not have a President right now.

Imagine you’re about to deploy in Afghanistan and hear this...

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Huh.

Trump Administration is involved in an actual Benghazi and REDSTATEWARD has nothing to say about it while posting about local election ballot fraud in NJ. And kidcarter8 is incensed that a movement about police brutality of minorities is not getting involved in a crime committed by an “illegal alien.”

Nothing to say about the Trump Administration’s looking the other way when a hostile foreign power has US soldiers killed abroad?  You got nothing?  Really?

[LarryBnDC]

If most white people were suddenly black they’d be fucked like the proverbial “fish out of water.”

In reverse most black people would be just fine because we already navigate through two different worlds.

But if whites were all then black,where'd be the conflict?

See?

[LarryBnDC]

Will Black comedians in America, and their Black audiences be apologising for their  "Black People hate White People"-ilk hate/racist speech from the stage, and their jumping about laughing and clapping agreement?

No.

Punching up is funny.

[LarryBnDC]

We've pointed this out before, but you (Ward and Bambi) have a hard time grasping it:

Robert E. Lee was not only a brutal slave owner, but a traitor to the country.

FDR was not only an antisemite but a person who worked hard to save the country.

Also, despite his antisemitic proclivities and his failure with the St. Louis, he still worked to save the Jews. Truman's antipathy towards the Jews was very real, but it, too, is very much countered by his actions. They worked beyond their personal biases.

I don't know that Wilson could see past his biases. Nothing in the record suggests that he did.

Well no one asked me but i'll proffer up my opinion.  The argument on statues is a distraction.  Symbols hold meaning but they are only symbols.  A police officer named Piner with racist opinions pining for the next civil war is much more dangerous than a status of a racist from the civil war.  I'm not saying statues that glorify those who oppressed people shouldn't be taken down.  I'm saying the effort spent there will exhaust the progressive movement and drag it down into endless debate.  That's what is happening now in this forum and on fox news when they say "Well next they'll wanna rename this or remove that...."  In the end what is it worth, how many hills do we want to die on?  Statues should be a lagging indicator of progress not a leading one.

The statues are a distraction but not by the folks pushing and organizing in the movement.

In the coming months you’ll discover most of the first nights of violence were coordinated, people pulling down statues of Grant reminds me of the FBI COINTELPRO.
A significant portion of the violence was proved from withinside the groups by undercovers. That was how a large number of black recruits came into NYPD in the mid 60s thru the late 90s.

Every Confederate monument is going to eventually come down through legislative means.

[LarryBnDC]

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/28/bernie-sanders-college-supporters-joe-biden-328353

Biden consolidating the Bernie wing is Very good news. He should still pick Warren and let her drive policy.

I’d like to see her as Senate Majority Leader where she can REALLY drive policy.

His appointment of AOC to co Chair the climate change policy group is a good move.

Trump,is beating the shit out of himself. So Uncle Joe Just has to stay out his way and run his 21st Century “Front Porch” camapaign.

[facilitatorn]

If most white people were suddenly black they’d be fucked like the proverbial “fish out of water.”

In reverse most black people would be just fine because we already navigate through two different worlds.

But if whites were all then black,where'd be the conflict?

See?

To early to clue Bambi into the fact that all human  beings trace their origins back to roots in Africa, that even Swedish albinos aren’t white, and that not much about the west is all that civilized or Christian?

[LarryBnDC]

No one seems to ever concede that someone else may have a valid point.

I post articles that present points that are counter to my prior beliefs or at least challenge them. Last time was way back... yesterday or the day before, with the piece about Patterson NJ and their vote-by-mail fraud.

I post retractions and apologies for errors.

But... "a valid point" requires something to concede to and far more often than not, the claims being made are absurd on things like climate, on Trump's decisions, on whether or not there is systemic racism.

I'll concede that they may be right when they have a shred of evidence that supports their position, UNO. But not just because they say they are right.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/28/bernie-sanders-college-supporters-joe-biden-328353

Biden consolidating the Bernie wing is Very good news. He should still pick Warren and let her drive policy.

I’d like to see her as Senate Majority Leader where she can REALLY drive policy.

His appointment of AOC to co Chair the climate change policy group is a good move.

Trump,is beating the shit out of himself. So Uncle Joe Just has to stay out his way and run his 21st Century “Front Porch” camapaign.

Warren as Senate Majority Leader for the next 30 or 40 years could go a long way toward saving the planet from vulture capitalism.

[LarryBnDC]

One such Black comedian will be touring downunder soon.
Said Trump will be the subject of some of his jokes.
Of course.
Should be interesting...Trump is a White, heterosexual Christian male...
...and as US President, Australia's only real hope of self-defence.

If that’s the case, you’re most certainly fucked, mate.

[bambu.]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jamiel-shaw-murdered-illegal-immigrant-black-lives-matter-george-floyd

lousy fucks

might not come as a surprise to many people.