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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

http://youtu.be/83YL2jg-PPQ

With four of his failed abortions speaking at the RNC, it’s no wonder that trump wants to kill your children too.

[bambu.]

If a covid vaccine is developed...25 % of Australians say they won't be getting it...even though it would be free.
"Better to live in risky freedom"...like those people in America said....many of whom are now dead.
1000 people in America are dying every day from Covid-19.

[facilitatorn]

Tire caltrops are the civilized answer to any trumpist tonka truck caravans, should any activity so idiotic occur in the future.

[josh]

If a covid vaccine is developed...25 % of Australians say they won't be getting it...even though it would be free.
"Better to live in risky freedom"...like those people in America said....many of whom are now dead.
1000 people in America are dying every day from Covid-19.

It's down to about 950 over this past week.

[Echo4]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/29/us/university-of-alabama-covid-19-cases-trnd/index.html

1200 cases at U of Alabama since the campus reopened. No wonder Trump wants testing slowed down (as per the guideline that asymptomatic cases no longer need testing, a stupid change if ever there were one).

All pretty much expected - and planned for

Oh, so terribly well planned for:
https://www.ajc.com/news/university-of-alabama-orders-faculty-to-keep-quiet-about-outbreak/7ZAHSQPNDRBINBEF3A6YAVMPRE/

University of Alabama orders faculty to keep quiet about outbreak

Nothing here to make the kids at all anxious. "Don't tell them that a kid who's been in the class with them was positive."

Really?

Faculty in multiple departments said they received emails this week telling them not to discuss the situation in classrooms and to keep students in the dark if they became aware of anyone contracting the virus, according to an exclusive report by The Daily Beast.

“Do not tell the rest of the class,” the email reads, with the word “not” underlined, the Beast reported.

“If the established rules for masks and physical distancing are followed in the classroom, then the risk of transmission from the positive student is minimal, and it is not necessary to inform the rest of the class they may have been in the same room as a positive classmate,” the email states. “For privacy reasons, the instructor should not announce to the class that a student in the class tested positive, even anonymously.”

[Echo4]

The Illinois teen accused of traveling to Kenosha, Wisconsin, armed with an AR-15-style rifle that he allegedly used to fatally shoot two protesters and injure a third has been hit with more charges. Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was hit with four additional felonies and one misdemeanor Thursday, NPR reports. Among those charges, per the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, is first-degree reckless homicide for the death of Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, who was captured on video apparently chasing Rittenhouse before he was shot in the head. Per CNN, Rittenhouse had on Wednesday been charged with first-degree intentional homicide for the death of Anthony Huber, 26, who was apparently trying to get his firearm away from him after the first shooting. TMZ notes that charge is typically referred to as murder in most other states. Indeed, it is Wisconsin's most serious charge, and the AP reports it carries a mandatory life sentence.

Rittenhouse is also charged with attempted first-degree intentional homicide, two counts of recklessly endangering safety, and possession of a dangerous weapon while under 18 (a misdemeanor).

[bodiddley]

1000 people in America are dying every day from Covid-19.

It's down to about 950 over this past week.

Because even basic measures -- especially mask wearing -- mostly complied with has a positive effect and reduces transmission.  Of course if serious measures were taken early (lets say March) and complied with to a large degree, the virus would be basically gone and businesses and life would be largely back to normal (with the exception of large gatherings).  How do I know that?  That's what I've lived through. 

Jan 21 China locked down.  By March 21 we were allowed to play basketball at some gyms, just with a temp check on the way in for two weeks, and the first week leaving your name and phone number for contact tracing.  A gradual reopening went on in stages in April and May.  Precautions continued in June, such as mask wearing and companies encouraged to let employees work at home if possible.  July and August have been totally back to normal.  The only place I wear a mask, or need to, is when I visit my doctor friends at the hospital.

It's been roughly 3 months of normal here; the last two you'd hardly know there had been a pandemic.  Maybe 20% of people still wear masks.  Though on the street, most mask wearers have them down on their chin.  It's become cool to have a face mask wrapped around your upper arm like an armband, in case you need it  -- I think the subway and buses still require masks.

No reason the US couldn't have been on the same schedule as China, just a month or two later.  If strict careful measures were in place by March 21,  June and July would have seen staged reopenings and everything would have been normal by August.  And there'd be no virus to speak of for school openings.  Should have happened that way... All it would have taken is American wearing face masks for 8-20 weeks to avoid 6 months of epidemic and hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions infected ....

[Yankguy1]

Maybe you should paid attention in school.

Heh.  I guess Red's school doesn't teach writing.

[bodiddley]

Red seems to be some unpleasant combination of trolling with mental health issues.
Sad.

[barton]

Come now.   Red is so brilliant a constitutional scholar that he doesn't even need to cite particular amendments.  His monograph on how billing teenagers thousands of dollars to peaceably assemble doesn't abridge the right to peaceably assemble was so illuminating that Laurence Tribe had to wear welding goggles while reading it.   You should also read his groundbreaking article in the Yale Law Review,  "When is a public demonstration really a private party? " 

[bankshot1]

Josh and Red this shit is so old it is turning to dust.

Josh you know Red is seldom going to admit that he trolls here just to own libs

Red  you know Josh is not going to drop it until you do.

Perhaps Josh will open up a dedicated isolation ward to feed the troll.

Just a thought.

heh

[LarryBnDC]

This GOP is a Death Cult and this country is going through a slow motion Jonestown.
We have to vote this motherfucker out before he burns it all down.

If you’re not in the Cult then vote for Biden and do so enthusiastically and put an end to this decades long con job. We can work out the details after we SAVE THE FUCKING WORLD!

Everything now is different and nothing can ever be be the same.

Save the neo liberal labels for history class, that era of politics is dead by necessity.

[bodiddley]

Still mind-boggling that Trump won and became president.

But the idea that he has a chance of reelection despite years of racism and white nationalist support, encouraging gun nuttery, governing by Twitter, lying constantly, sounding stupid even more, just being a loud jerk all the time, and then to top it off the horrendous failed response to the epidemic with its attendant unnecessary death toll and 6 months of a ruined economy and ruined lives -- it's just unbelievable one person outside his immediate family will vote for Trump.

One thing about being overseas, is it's easy to step back and see the overall picture.  The US really needs to right itself as its decline has been very rapid this century. 
If someone proved tomorrow that Trump was a Russian or Chinese plant, most people would nod their heads somewhat relieved as at least the last 3 years would make some kind of sense . . .

[bodiddley]

So it seems under the advice of Dr. Atlas, Trump may be trying a stealth Sweden approach.  Let the virus spread in schools and among the young and healthy and see if the USofA can get to herd immunity without too many dying. 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-trump-pandemic-adviser-pushes-controversial-herd-immunity-strategy-worrying-public-health-officials/ar-BB18xMz7

Less testing among the young and asymptomatics seems another step down the herd immunity path.

“President Trump is fully focused on defeating the virus through therapeutics and ultimately a vaccine. There is no discussion about changing our strategy,” White House communications director Alyssa Farah said in a statement. “We have initiated an unprecedented effort under Operation Warp Speed to safely bring a vaccine to market in record time — ending this virus through medicine is our top focus.”

The way to defeat the virus is through limiting and preventing transmission.
The idea that some magic existing drug will prove aces or a highly effective virus is just around the corner is awfully faulty thinking.  Extremely irresponsible.  How hard is it to wear a face mask in public when near other people?

Atlas has also said he is unsure “scientifically” whether masks make sense, despite broad consensus among scientists that they are effective.

With a population of 328 million in the United States, it may require 2.13 million deaths to reach a 65 percent threshold of herd immunity, assuming the virus has a 1 percent fatality rate, according to an analysis by The Washington Post.

No one wants to come out and say we're willing to have perhaps 2M deaths so that we can reopen the economy.

And there's really no consensus on what % is required to achieve herd immunity.  There's very little research on how long anti-bodies and any such immunity lasts, whether people can get the virus more than once (a few reportedly have), etc.
Lotta guesswork and uncertainty, including whether CV-19 will return seasonally in force as flu does. 

A scary thought is that this August peak that the US is going through could actually be a warm weather lull in the strength of the virus -- with apparently a smaller % dying and symptoms not as serious in general -- and the Virus could ramp up when the weather turns colder.  That is, the half measures in most of the US might have  led to a much worse outbreak except that Summer slowed down the Virus, and Winter could be devastating.   Sure hope not.

[bodiddley]

Kelly, a former Marine Corps general, was the secretary of homeland security before serving as the White House chief of staff from July 2017 to January 2019. His departure came after reports that he and Trump were no longer on speaking terms.

"Kelly has told others that Trump wanted to behave like an authoritarian and repeatedly had to be restrained and told what he could and could not legally do," the book says, according to Axios.

It continued: "Aside from questions of the law, Kelly has told others that one of the most difficult tasks he faced with Trump was trying to stop him from pulling out of NATO — a move that Trump has repeatedly threatened but never made good on, which would have been a seismic breach of American alliances and an extraordinary gift to Putin."