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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/10/30/two-charts-show-trumps-job-gains-are-just-a-continuation-from-obamas-presidency/#f8f1d641af3f

[barton]

---OPINION
Democrats take the immigration bait---

---To be clear, it's doubtful that this is a part of some long-term strategy that Trump intricately designed to troll Democrats into embracing radical immigration policies. (They had already embraced those positions before former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was nominated — recall that she and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., both embraced a "zero deportation" position during the 2016 primaries.) But Trump knows how to read the room, and he's excelled in making the Left overreach. No matter how tonally questionable or factually wrong Trump's Bracamontes ad might be, it's a trap, and it's probably already worked.---

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democrats-take-the-immigration-bait

Except that outside the bubble the examiner lives in the Democrats have been largely silent on the caravan. Using my competitive State for an example, the Democratic candidate for Senate has run ads touting protecting health care, working with vets and police, protecting health care, sensible border security, protecting health care and her own abilities. The Repuican candidate has run few positive ads, which basically have been she was the first female fighter pilot, the bizarre claim she will protect pre existing conditions.despite the fact that the last time it came up for a vote to erase those protection she famously told her colleagues."Let's just get this fucking done". Nothing from her on taxes or the economy. Instead most of her ads have been focused on Sinema protesting the.war in a pink tutu and calling Arizona's legislature "the meth lab of American politics."

Only mention of the economy or taxes has been in a couple PAC ads.

---But pro-immigration activists are increasingly withdrawing their patience with Democrats’ appeasing statements and gestures on immigration. Consequently, aspirants to the Democratic nomination in 2020 are falling over each other in a rush to promise to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Liberal opinion leaders have been popularizing academic theories that paint all immigration enforcement as an expression of white supremacy.---

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-democrats-border-enforcement-immigration-debate/

Deplorable, white supremacists, where have we heard that before? Hint 2016 elections.

Nowhere in Dougherty's column do I find him saying that Democrats generally equate border enforcement with white supremacy.  That is a Strawman IMO.  He does point out that Democrats are conflicted between welcoming egalitarianism and trying to look sensibly tough on immigration.  That's a fair point and I think the party needs to find a more authentic position on how many failed Latin American states we can rescue.   

[facilitatorn]

It would help if we stopped undermining the Latin American states that are disinclined to be bullied or ripped off.

[LarryBnDC]

---OPINION
Democrats take the immigration bait---

---To be clear, it's doubtful that this is a part of some long-term strategy that Trump intricately designed to troll Democrats into embracing radical immigration policies. (They had already embraced those positions before former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was nominated — recall that she and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., both embraced a "zero deportation" position during the 2016 primaries.) But Trump knows how to read the room, and he's excelled in making the Left overreach. No matter how tonally questionable or factually wrong Trump's Bracamontes ad might be, it's a trap, and it's probably already worked.---

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democrats-take-the-immigration-bait

Except that outside the bubble the examiner lives in the Democrats have been largely silent on the caravan. Using my competitive State for an example, the Democratic candidate for Senate has run ads touting protecting health care, working with vets and police, protecting health care, sensible border security, protecting health care and her own abilities. The Repuican candidate has run few positive ads, which basically have been she was the first female fighter pilot, the bizarre claim she will protect pre existing conditions.despite the fact that the last time it came up for a vote to erase those protection she famously told her colleagues."Let's just get this fucking done". Nothing from her on taxes or the economy. Instead most of her ads have been focused on Sinema protesting the.war in a pink tutu and calling Arizona's legislature "the meth lab of American politics."

Only mention of the economy or taxes has been in a couple PAC ads.

---But pro-immigration activists are increasingly withdrawing their patience with Democrats’ appeasing statements and gestures on immigration. Consequently, aspirants to the Democratic nomination in 2020 are falling over each other in a rush to promise to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Liberal opinion leaders have been popularizing academic theories that paint all immigration enforcement as an expression of white supremacy.---

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-democrats-border-enforcement-immigration-debate/

Deplorable, white supremacists, where have we heard that before? Hint 2016 elections.

Nowhere in Dougherty's column do I find him saying that Democrats generally equate border enforcement with white supremacy.  That is a Strawman IMO.  He does point out that Democrats are conflicted between welcoming egalitarianism and trying to look sensibly tough on immigration.  That's a fair point and I think the party needs to find a more authentic position on how many failed Latin American states we can rescue.

Or at least be honest going back generations about how policies of the USA have contributed mightily to many of the failed Central American nations.

[LarryBnDC]

It would help if we stopped undermining the Latin American states that are disinclined to be bullied or ripped off.

It would be nice if Americans who love Trump’s “Tough Guy” posture would insist the great negotiator demand payment from Mexico.

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/10/30/two-charts-show-trumps-job-gains-are-just-a-continuation-from-obamas-presidency/#f8f1d641af3f

Love it.

[josh]

---OPINION
Democrats take the immigration bait---

---To be clear, it's doubtful that this is a part of some long-term strategy that Trump intricately designed to troll Democrats into embracing radical immigration policies. (They had already embraced those positions before former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was nominated — recall that she and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., both embraced a "zero deportation" position during the 2016 primaries.) But Trump knows how to read the room, and he's excelled in making the Left overreach. No matter how tonally questionable or factually wrong Trump's Bracamontes ad might be, it's a trap, and it's probably already worked.---

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democrats-take-the-immigration-bait

Except that outside the bubble the examiner lives in the Democrats have been largely silent on the caravan. Using my competitive State for an example, the Democratic candidate for Senate has run ads touting protecting health care, working with vets and police, protecting health care, sensible border security, protecting health care and her own abilities. The Repuican candidate has run few positive ads, which basically have been she was the first female fighter pilot, the bizarre claim she will protect pre existing conditions.despite the fact that the last time it came up for a vote to erase those protection she famously told her colleagues."Let's just get this fucking done". Nothing from her on taxes or the economy. Instead most of her ads have been focused on Sinema protesting the.war in a pink tutu and calling Arizona's legislature "the meth lab of American politics."

Only mention of the economy or taxes has been in a couple PAC ads.

---But pro-immigration activists are increasingly withdrawing their patience with Democrats’ appeasing statements and gestures on immigration. Consequently, aspirants to the Democratic nomination in 2020 are falling over each other in a rush to promise to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Liberal opinion leaders have been popularizing academic theories that paint all immigration enforcement as an expression of white supremacy.---

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-democrats-border-enforcement-immigration-debate/

Deplorable, white supremacists, where have we heard that before? Hint 2016 elections.

Yeah, I always take the National Review's perspective on what the pro-immigration folks think of the Democrats.

[kiidcarter8]

Campaigning agrees with Trump

Battles back to -3 (strongly approve vs disapprove)

Had high mark pf EVEN on October 8th but had fallen off to -9 just last week

3 month low has been -12

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

[kiidcarter8]

Total approval of 51% ties his high mark since March of 2017.

[facilitatorn]

Here Kid, read something true for a change

http://www.thedailybeast.com/time-to-expose-the-women-still-celebrating-the-confederacy?ref=home

The more sunlight spread, the more disinfecting gets done.

[kiidcarter8]

Andy correctly says that a president cannot “unilaterally change an understanding of the law that has been in effect for decades under a duly enacted federal law.” But that assumes the “understanding” is the correct one. If that understanding actually violates the plain text and intent of the law, the president as the chief law-enforcement officer can, and indeed has an obligation, to direct the federal government to begin applying and enforcing it correctly.

That is the key issue here — Section 301 of the INA and the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment have been incorrectly enforced in violation of their terms.

There is no question that if President Trump issues an executive order directing federal agencies to apply federal law according to what Andy, I, and others believe is the correct interpretation, that the government will be sued. This issue, whether the U.S.-born children of aliens who are only here temporarily as tourists or students or who are in this country illegally are citizens, has never been directly addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court.



https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-trump-can-end-birthright-citizenship-by-executive-order/

[josh]

Andy correctly says that a president cannot “unilaterally change an understanding of the law that has been in effect for decades under a duly enacted federal law.” But that assumes the “understanding” is the correct one. If that understanding actually violates the plain text and intent of the law, the president as the chief law-enforcement officer can, and indeed has an obligation, to direct the federal government to begin applying and enforcing it correctly.

That is the key issue here — Section 301 of the INA and the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment have been incorrectly enforced in violation of their terms.

There is no question that if President Trump issues an executive order directing federal agencies to apply federal law according to what Andy, I, and others believe is the correct interpretation, that the government will be sued. This issue, whether the U.S.-born children of aliens who are only here temporarily as tourists or students or who are in this country illegally are citizens, has never been directly addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court.



https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-trump-can-end-birthright-citizenship-by-executive-order/

You are listening to inside your bubble.

And I have already provided the 1982 SCOTUS ruling in Plyler v Doe which included the observation that the children are the same regardless of legal status of their parents, in both the majority and dissent opinions.

[josh]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2018/10/17/racial-wealth-gap-much-smaller-among-union-members/?fbclid=IwAR0AbpxcLONRssUsqkKu-73yUbsCWXkQK-1CKvPsBaJpl5jka1ekSN5EI8Y#41d3c06c6c99

One of the things unions do.

[barton]

Or at least be honest going back generations about how policies of the USA have contributed mightily to many of the failed Central American nations.

   

-- LarryDC

As you and Facilitator point out,  an unfortunate part of our history is "making the world safe for United Fruit Co. and Folgers. "  Africa suffered colonialism, Latin America suffered economic imperialism.  It's a topic I wish I understood better,  if only to make more sense of the civil disruption down there.  And there's all that "Bolivian marching powder, " demanded by Yanqui nostrils.   

[bambu-wisdom]

---OPINION
Democrats take the immigration bait---

---To be clear, it's doubtful that this is a part of some long-term strategy that Trump intricately designed to troll Democrats into embracing radical immigration policies. (They had already embraced those positions before former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was nominated — recall that she and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., both embraced a "zero deportation" position during the 2016 primaries.) But Trump knows how to read the room, and he's excelled in making the Left overreach. No matter how tonally questionable or factually wrong Trump's Bracamontes ad might be, it's a trap, and it's probably already worked.---

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democrats-take-the-immigration-bait

Except that outside the bubble the examiner lives in the Democrats have been largely silent on the caravan. Using my competitive State for an example, the Democratic candidate for Senate has run ads touting protecting health care, working with vets and police, protecting health care, sensible border security, protecting health care and her own abilities. The Repuican candidate has run few positive ads, which basically have been she was the first female fighter pilot, the bizarre claim she will protect pre existing conditions.despite the fact that the last time it came up for a vote to erase those protection she famously told her colleagues."Let's just get this fucking done". Nothing from her on taxes or the economy. Instead most of her ads have been focused on Sinema protesting the.war in a pink tutu and calling Arizona's legislature "the meth lab of American politics."

Only mention of the economy or taxes has been in a couple PAC ads.

---But pro-immigration activists are increasingly withdrawing their patience with Democrats’ appeasing statements and gestures on immigration. Consequently, aspirants to the Democratic nomination in 2020 are falling over each other in a rush to promise to abolish Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Liberal opinion leaders have been popularizing academic theories that paint all immigration enforcement as an expression of white supremacy.---

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/migrant-caravan-democrats-border-enforcement-immigration-debate/

Deplorable, white supremacists, where have we heard that before? Hint 2016 elections.

Of course they are, it's what many Leftists do today, seemingly cheer for America to be turned into 'over-populated and horrible-to-live-in-except-for-the-very rich'  "Africa/India/China/Mexico/Sth America/Central America".