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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bodiddley]

Well, Joe Biden’s Covid advisor Dr. Michael Osterholm called for a  4-6 week nationwide lockdown “like they did in New Zealand and Australia.”
Osterholm said a 6 week nationwide lockdown would get Covid under control and revive the economy.

You might remember it was Osterholm who wrote a New York Times op-ed over the summer praising Chinese Communist style authoritarian lockdowns: To be effective, the lockdown has to be as comprehensive and strict as possible.

So remember this  Scientist cites successes in Australia and New Zealand( surrounded by ocean water) and China (who willfully kill tens of thousands of its citizens, if not millions) in fighting the spread of the disease.

You mean the highly effective 2 month Chinese lockdown, which allowed the Chinese economy to bounce back and grow this year in contrast to all of Europe and the US.  And there's no virus in China so its citizens are totally safe from the disease.  That lockdown? 

The US is having more cases per day now than China had in total this year.  China is down to 60th most cases globally, fewer than small countries such as Bulgaria and Lebanon.  The Chinese lockdown was a tremendous success.  I think it would be hard to find one Chinese person who felt the lockdown was inappropriate or not worth it.

You can idiotically try to distract by talking vaguely about Chinese killing people.
But if China had the same awful policies and death rate as the US, 1.1M Chinese would have died from the virus, which would still be raging and extending.  And the economy would be battered.

Too bad Trump didn't implement such a lockdown back in March /April.
It would have been a different world and even election then, with a gradual reopening in May/June and, if implemented properly, no more virus and things back close to normal starting in July.

That lockdown?

[josh]

[REDSTATEWARD]

Well, Joe Biden’s Covid advisor Dr. Michael Osterholm called for a  4-6 week nationwide lockdown “like they did in New Zealand and Australia.”
Osterholm said a 6 week nationwide lockdown would get Covid under control and revive the economy.

You might remember it was Osterholm who wrote a New York Times op-ed over the summer praising Chinese Communist style authoritarian lockdowns: To be effective, the lockdown has to be as comprehensive and strict as possible.

So remember this  Scientist cites successes in Australia and New Zealand( surrounded by ocean water) and China (who willfully kill tens of thousands of its citizens, if not millions) in fighting the spread of the disease.

You mean the highly effective 2 month Chinese lockdown, which allowed the Chinese economy to bounce back and grow this year in contrast to all of Europe and the US.  And there's no virus in China so its citizens are totally safe from the disease.  That lockdown? 

LOL   
Chinese  euthanasia to ease the pain and suffering of the communists being denied the spoils of dictatorship.

The US is having more cases per day now than China had in total this year.  China is down to 60th most cases globally, fewer than small countries such as Bulgaria and Lebanon.  The Chinese lockdown was a tremendous success.  I think it would be hard to find one Chinese person who felt the lockdown was inappropriate or not worth it.

LOL.  Of course not. Chinese people, for the most part, keep their mouths shut to live.

You can idiotically try to distract by talking vaguely about Chinese killing people.
But if China had the same awful policies and death rate as the US, 1.1M Chinese would have died from the virus, which would still be raging and extending.  And the economy would be battered.

Too bad Trump didn't implement such a lockdown back in March /April.
It would have been a different world and even election then, with a gradual reopening in May/June and, if implemented properly, no more virus and things back close to normal starting in July.

Trump couldn’t . The USA is bound by the rule of law and a Constitution.
China’s ruling class cares only about itself. Dissenters are imprisoned or executed.

Now that is a lockdown

[bankshot1]

At best its just another Trump con to raise money from his gullible base of rubes to pay his bills, as dead-beat Donnie need cash coming in to keep the scheme running.

At worst its republican act of sedition and an attempt to overthrow the duly elected President of the US.

Support and defend the Konstitution!

No time like the present to live up to your oath.


Dumb fascist fuckers bettter start thinking real hard about their continued support of the authoritarian Russian puppet.

[bodiddley]

Okay, so you got nothing and know nothing about China.

The Chinese lockdown was a tremendous success which saved lives and the Chinese economy.  Full stop.  Really inarguable.

In Shanghai, you go about your life without worry and don't need to take any safety measures.  You would completely forget about the virus, except for the maybe 10% of the people still wearing masks regularly.

I'm safe (along with 1.4B Chinese), you and Americans are not.
Might want to consider why.

[facilitatorn]

Red maintains a level of antiquated dogma that inoculates him from any inconvenient facts. Without that vaccine it is impossible to remain a republican any longer.

[josh]

Too bad Trump didn't implement such a lockdown back in March /April.
It would have been a different world and even election then, with a gradual reopening in May/June and, if implemented properly, no more virus and things back close to normal starting in July.

Trump couldn’t . The USA is bound by the rule of law and a Constitution.
China’s ruling class cares only about itself.

Now that is a lockdown

Trump didn't have to implement it by himself. He needed to say "we need to do this," rather than fighting against it tooth and nail.

You and the rest of the GOP only care about yourselves. You are little, if any, different from the Chinese ruling class, and what differences there are President Trump is in the midst of trying to erase with his authoritarian approach to this election, in which he and his spin lie after lie to avoid the truth.

Dissenters, so far are only losing their jobs or having their lives threatened. Nobody has been locked up or executed.

[LarryBnDC]

"Defund the Police" needs to give way to "Fund our Communities" and "Re-train the Police"

Depends on who you’re talking to.

[josh]

https://today.westlaw.com/Document/Ief147bd0247611eb8dfbdfeb7526f5c7/View/FullText.html

The largest law firm supporting the Trump suits withdrew today. (They'd been trying for a few days.)

Given the other performances around the country, it is a wonder any firm is willing to work for Trump.

And that's assuming they will get paid!

[LarryBnDC]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Problem is in politics if you’re explaining you’re losing.

It will be interesting to see if there is a change of tone in tv police procedurals.

[LarryBnDC]

Arnie Vinnick was a great hire

Except he’s really Alan Alda whose politics you despise.

[LarryBnDC]

If Joe B knows and trusts the judgement of a moderate Repub in a specfic area and knows that said person could be an effective administrator and voice for his policies in that area, given the overheated partisan nature of our politics and Biden's view of working across the aisle, I have no problem whatsoever with him choosing the best available person to advance his policies and run a department. I think it sends a positive message. IMO only considering Dems for high level positions is idiotic and runs counter to furthering our national interests. 

Rather than show weakness it demonstrates strength in that you're not afraid of picking the best people independent of how they've voted in the past.

Not much in this current iteration of Republicans to pick from.

[LarryBnDC]

Arnie Vinnick was a great hire

I give him alda credit in the world for not making a mash of the whole thing. He had a piercing wit, to be sure.

Rimshot and cymbal crash.

[LarryBnDC]

Yep, Reform the Police.
But Defund the Police was a bold eye-catching controversial message that caught people's attention to the issue/problem.

During the 2020 election, a bunch of cities passed police reform measures ranging from civilian review boards to funding for mental health initiatives.  And people became more aware of alternatives to sending police to deal with homeless and other matters where social workers and mental health pros can do better.

Some local pols needed to do a better job of explaining their position and providing nuance and details to counter the GOP broadbrush/smear.   The Dems should have looked at it as an opportunity to discuss what wasn't working and how to have better policing and better outcomes.  Contrast with the GOP-supported practice of militarizing the police which isn't popular.  Do the hard work of explaining.

Overall big net minus for democrats.

Really?


Democrats control the House the presidency and have a good shot at a tie in the Senate.

[LarryBnDC]

Joe Biden the Presidential candidate promised  to fight COVID-19 and lockdown the country if “ scientists” advise it.

Well, Joe Biden’s Covid advisor Dr. Michael Osterholm called for a  4-6 week nationwide lockdown “like they did in New Zealand and Australia.”
Osterholm said a 6 week nationwide lockdown would get Covid under control and revive the economy.
“We could pay for a package right now to cover all of the wages, lost wages for individual workers for losses to small companies to medium-sized companies or city, state, county governments. We could do all of that,” Osterholm said. “If we did that, then we could lockdown for four-to-six weeks.”

Shutting down businesses and paying people for lost wages for four to six weeks could help keep the coronavirus pandemic in check and get the economy on track until a vaccine is approved and distributed, said Osterholm who serves as director of the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota,(by definition a “ SCIENTIST)  Earlier  this week he predicted that the country is headed toward “Covid hell.” Cases are rising as more people grow tired of wearing masks and social distancing, suffering from so-called “pandemic fatigue,” Colder weather is also driving people indoors where the virus can spread more easily.
A nationwide lockdown would drive the number of new cases and hospitalizations down to manageable levels while the world awaits a vaccine, he told Yahoo Finance TODAY.

You might remember it was Osterholm who wrote a New York Times op-ed over the summer praising Chinese Communist style authoritarian lockdowns: To be effective, the lockdown has to be as comprehensive and strict as possible.
“We could really watch ourselves cruising into the vaccine availability in the first and second quarter of next year while bringing back the economy long before that,” he said Wednesday.

So remember this  Scientist cites successes in Australia and New Zealand( surrounded by ocean water) and China ( who willfully kill tens of thousands of its citizens, if not millions) in fighting the spread of the disease.


It might be useful to remember that Joe Biden previously got called out by a the remaining few news reporters not on the DNC payroll over his vow to lock down the US and conceded that a US President does not have the Constitutional authority to do so.

Oh those scientists?
LOL!

I don’t think any of what you posted supports whatever point you’re trying to make.