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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57495 on: November 19, 2020, 07:37:15 AM »

”White male privilege is powerful. It overrides facts. It excuses horrendous behavior. It exalts the unqualified. It drew thousands of Trump supporters to the streets of the nation’s capital in their “Make America Great Again” gear and with their flags hoisted high, rubbing shoulders with members of hate groups because they believed the current president — the birther president — was righteous in his denial of his loss at the polls. They came to enable the illogic of a man who repaid their fervor with a drive-by appearance on his way to the golf course”.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/17/president-is-golfing-exercising-white-male-privilege/

You mean, like Hershel Walker?
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« Reply #57496 on: November 19, 2020, 07:40:09 AM »

The center is speaking out. They've had it. And there are some in the GOP who recognize this and are positioning themselves for the future, instead of hopelessly clinging to the recent past.

Here's one: https://news.yahoo.com/maryland-gov-larry-hogan-talks-152514668.html
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« Reply #57497 on: November 19, 2020, 07:42:20 AM »

Germany marks 75th anniversary of landmark Nuremberg trials

https://news.yahoo.com/germany-marks-75th-anniversary-landmark-120009250.html


The Germans are the most American of Europeans. Something to ponder.

Several thousand people banging saucepans and blowing whistles gathered in central Berlin on Wednesday (November 18) to protest against Angela Merkel's plans to give her government powers to enforce restrictions aimed at curbing the spread of the coronavirus. Although most Germans accept the latest "lockdown light" to tackle a second wave of the coronavirus, critics say the law gives the government too much power and endangers citizens' civil rights without the approval of parliament The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) has even compared it with the Enabling Act of 1933 that paved the way Hitler's Nazi dictatorship.

 https://news.yahoo.com/berlin-protesters-rally-against-covid-114821638.html

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« Reply #57498 on: November 19, 2020, 07:51:22 AM »

From yahoo: Biden’s winning tally is approaching a record 80 million votes. His total continues to rise as Democratic strongholds like California and New York process their remaining ballots. Biden will likely have won the White House by a greater margin than any other president this century other than Barack Obama in 2008. Biden is also on track to win the Electoral College with the same 306 votes that Trump described as a “landslide” victory in his own 2016 race against Hillary Clinton.

Trump's complaining about losing because of unfounded "rigging" by election officials reminds me of this: - CHARLOTTE -- The Washington Redskins searched for reasons why certain calls went against them Sunday. Defensive end Jason Hatcher has one theory: the team nickname.

The Redskins were upset with several calls in Sunday's 44-16 loss to the Carolina Panthers, most notably an unnecessary roughness penalty on corner Chris Culliver. On the play, he hit tight end Greg Olsen, who was attempting to catch a pass. The ball popped into the air, Culliver grabbed it at the Carolina 25-yard line and headed for the end zone and what would have been a 21-14 lead. Five plays after the penalty, Carolina scored a touchdown.


"I'm not saying this out of character to get fined, but it is what it is," Hatcher said. "I don't know if it's about the name or what, but at the same time, we play football too. We work our butt off too. Don't single us out. At the end of the day, it's the name. Don't worry about the name -- we're players and we work our butts off, too. I'm just frustrated with it.


You lose 44-16, it's not the refs. You lose 306-232, it's not the refs. It's not the name. It's what you didn't do for the American people when it counted the most.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57499 on: November 19, 2020, 09:35:47 AM »

"Redder than ever"

Romney won by 1.26 million.
Trump won by 807 thousand.
Trump beat Biden by 637 thousand.

It was no shock that Cornyn won. It will be a surprise if Cruz can win his next round.
Redder than ever.
There is more to the color than just the presidential vote.
November was an epic failure by the dems in Texas, and elsewhere.

You fucking idiot.

There's been a red wave of death

a fucking plague spread by deranged amoral idiots like you and kid who lie and mislead to escape the horrible truth of a hideous Trump and the Repubs who further his madness.

November was the first good month we've had in this country since January as it brought hope that we will finally drive out that amoral traitrorous fascist motherfucker

and his amoral traitorous fascist motherfuckers enablers like you who care nothing of this country or of democracy.

You should be ashamed of yourself

Red I'd call you an epic failure but you're only a fucking piece of shit.

And we're finally flushing you away.



Flag.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57500 on: November 19, 2020, 09:57:10 AM »

"Redder than ever"

Romney won by 1.26 million.
Trump won by 807 thousand.
Trump beat Biden by 637 thousand.

It was no shock that Cornyn won. It will be a surprise if Cruz can win his next round.
Redder than ever.
There is more to the color than just the presidential vote.
November was an epic failure by the dems in Texas, and elsewhere.

You fucking idiot.

There's been a red wave of death

a fucking plague spread by deranged amoral idiots like you and kid who lie and mislead to escape the horrible truth of a hideous Trump and the Repubs who further his madness.

November was the first good month we've had in this country since January as it brought hope that we will finally drive out that amoral traitrorous fascist motherfucker

and his amoral traitorous fascist motherfuckers enablers like you who care nothing of this country or of democracy.

You should be ashamed of yourself

Red I'd call you an epic failure but you're only a fucking piece of shit.

And we're finally flushing you away.



Flag.

What flag do you refer to kid?

Certainly its not an American flag, the flag that so many Americans fought and died for to protect our freedom and democracy that you seem to mock and demean with your every post.

Its not the American flag that the American patriots waved as they beat the army of George III and its not the flag American GIs waved when they rode into Berlin in 1945 to end a war against an insane monster, its not the flag that drapes the coffins of American fallen heroes, and its not the flag that Americans wave today.

What fucking flag are you loyal to kid?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57502 on: November 19, 2020, 10:41:40 AM »

Trump campaign revises Pennsylvania suit, again
The latest version of the lawsuit asks the court to declare Trump the winner in Pennsylvania.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/18/trump-pennsylvania-election-lawsuit-437996

When does it end?

I sure hope it ends soon, but the tantrum is quite amazing.

They don't want the votes re-tallied, but with a watchful eye, as that would just result in their losing yet again. "Just toss out those votes; they weren't for us, anyway!"
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #57503 on: November 19, 2020, 10:43:48 AM »

Agree that Dems need to up their game on digital platforms.   The far right is way ahead of them (and mastered the art of getting toxic lies to circulate widely before being flagged or deleted).   The Right generally had an advantage on memetic proliferation, with its large cadre of retirees who had the time to repost stuff.   And attack memes are inherently more eye-catching than innovative ideas that require deeper mental engagement.   So,  Dems,  the party with more actual ideas, also have to compensate for that disadvantage at tossing out cyber chum.
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« Reply #57504 on: November 19, 2020, 11:02:12 AM »

Agree that Dems need to up their game on digital platforms.   The far right is way ahead of them (and mastered the art of getting toxic lies to circulate widely before being flagged or deleted).   The Right generally had an advantage on memetic proliferation, with its large cadre of retirees who had the time to repost stuff.   And attack memes are inherently more eye-catching than innovative ideas that require deeper mental engagement.   So,  Dems,  the party with more actual ideas, also have to compensate for that disadvantage at tossing out cyber chum.
Yeah. Those “ fabulous “dem ideas even the dems  admitted were toxic.
If Pelosi wants to make her swan song as Speaker meaningful she is going to have to work with the GOP or else everything will die in the Senate. Dealing with the “ squad” would be a suicide pact.
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« Reply #57505 on: November 19, 2020, 11:02:57 AM »

School openings over the US and Europe was a big success, not. Get these non-scientific idiots out of here and roll it back until the vaccines become available.
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« Reply #57506 on: November 19, 2020, 11:11:33 AM »

There is no electoral defeat Red won't spin as a win.
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« Reply #57507 on: November 19, 2020, 11:24:49 AM »

I have a better understanding, now, of both what the GOP is trying to claim and what we're waiting for immediately.

First, a quote from Tuesday from Rudy G. that I totally agree with:
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“The Trump campaign has been treated totally differently than the Bush campaign,” Giuliani said

It went uncorrected and unchallenged in court. Must be true!

The basis of the Giuliani request to throw out all those ballots is a combination of unequal access to watching and unequal handling of "curing" ballots. The first of those is already in deep trouble, as that question has been resolved against them by a different court case:

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The state’s highest court rejected the argument that workers in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh processed approximately 700,000 mail-in ballots out of sight of GOP onlookers. Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, said campaign officials couldn’t check the ballots for errors or inconsistencies, as is required.
~per numerous sources

The second claim is totally true, but not helpfully so for any number of reasons. The total number of "cured" ballots was in the low hundreds, so tossing them does no good. The claim, then, is that somehow the courts are supposed to address the many ballots in other places whose casters were not permitted to cure them, but this is odd, because the Trump campaign is not suing those counties!

But that argument faces a further hurdle, one frequently encountered in cases about mandamus but which seems to apply here, as well: the Pennsylvania law permits actions by the election officials to contact a voter to get a ballot cured, but it does not require them to do so, which makes it discretionary and that sort of difference by officials is expressly permitted, not rising to a difference between how citizens are treated unless it is done unevenly by officials within an individual jurisdiction (county, city) rather than from one county to the next. NYT notes that "Before the election, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state, Kathy Boockvar, advised county election officials that “curing” absentee ballots (the term for fixing mistakes like a missing signature) was permitted but not required." The GOP knew this and their failure to challenge that position prior to the election is also key. It gives a very strong scent of "but it would have been okay, had we won" that courts frequently find odious.

The Trump beef is with the counties that chose not to provide their voters with that option.

And it still would not have amounted to enough votes to make a dent in the 82,357 vote lead.

That leaves them hoping the federal courts will in essence overrule the PA Supreme Court, though this is not an appeal of that decision. Even then, they have a further couple issues. One is an election day decision, again per the NYT: "On Election Day, Republican lawyers acknowledged in court that the party’s observers were present at the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia when votes were being counted. “I’m sorry, then what’s your problem?” Judge Paul S. Diamond of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania asked." He nonetheless permitted them to get a bit closer - but it is going to make tossing those votes out a lot harder.

And, again, if there was no such suit in Allegheny County, then the basis for retroactive relief is tough.



But right now, we're waiting to find out the results of the motion to dismiss that the state and counties made, a response to which was supposed to have been entered last night by 5pm.
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« Reply #57508 on: November 19, 2020, 11:24:58 AM »

There is no electoral defeat Red won't spin as a win.


Yes

For instance even if Ga goes the way of the Dems you LOSE - since you have lost Manchin and God knows who else on most of what you wish to push through.
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« Reply #57509 on: November 19, 2020, 11:31:14 AM »


Two Michigan Republicans who reversed course and voted to certify the election results in the state's most populous county Tuesday now say they were pressured to certify the election and want to rescind their votes.

Wayne County Board of Canvassers Chairwoman Monica Palmer and William Hartmann, the two Republicans on the four-member board, filed affidavits Wednesday night saying they had been improperly pressured and claiming Democrats on the board reneged on their promise to seek an audit of votes from Detroit, reports The Washington Post.

The vote to certify the results from the Nov. 3 election is seen as a key step toward finalizing Joe Biden's victory in Michigan.

Palmer and Hartmann said in their affidavits, published with a report on the website JustTheNews, that they thought they had a firm commitment to the audit. However, Palmer said in her document that Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, said later she did not view their resolution that asked for an audit as binding
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