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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

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Speaking of SHS...

She has issued a correction after she claimed that Donald Trump created 3 times more jobs in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8.

The correction isn't notable or commendable, since it is an all too rare example of her doing her job professionally. 

What is notable is that she made that mistake at all.  Claiming that Obama only created 195,000 jobs for African Americans (when he created more than 3 million) in 8 years is absolutely outrageous.  They are laughable on their face, and any person with one ounce of knowledge of what is going on in the world would have questioned them before repeating the false claim to the media.

It reveals a terrible combination of drinking the kool-aid (how many jobs did she think Obama created in total, a million?) and simple stupidity.  And arrogant stupidity too.  Confidently quoting the figure as proof against the President's racism, as if the two facts have any relationship to each other. 

Really was an unintentionally insightful press conference yesterday.

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Does Mark Burnett have tapes of President Trump saying damaging things during Celebrity Apprentice?

Yeah, I was in the room.

You’ve heard him say …

Oh, yeah.

http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/penn-jillette-in-conversation.html

Actually an interesting read, outside of the above.  Not so familiar with Penn Jillette's work, myself, but the interview is insightful. 

[kiidcarter8]

Speaking of SHS...

She has issued a correction after she claimed that Donald Trump created 3 times more jobs in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8.

The correction isn't notable or commendable, since it is an all too rare example of her doing her job professionally. 

What is notable is that she made that mistake at all.  Claiming that Obama only created 195,000 jobs for African Americans (when he created more than 3 million) in 8 years is absolutely outrageous.  They are laughable on their face, and any person with one ounce of knowledge of what is going on in the world would have questioned them before repeating the false claim to the media.

It reveals a terrible combination of drinking the kool-aid (how many jobs did she think Obama created in total, a million?) and simple stupidity.  And arrogant stupidity too.  Confidently quoting the figure as proof against the President's racism, as if the two facts have any relationship to each other. 

Really was an unintentionally insightful press conference yesterday.

Whats the 195 number?  Is that final year, Obama?

Do you honestly think Trump has done a poor job with the economy?

[Yankguy1]

If we were to believe what the Republicans have lectured us for years (well lectured us when Democrats were the majority party) about the horrors of deficits, then yes Trump has done a poor job with the economy.  So what's it gonna be?

[barton]

Kid,

Either you understand what trade wars do, or you don't.  It's not our job to teach you global economics and how it works at the level of each nation. 

Either you understand what massive national debt does, or you don't.  [etc.]

Either you understand the job-creation potential of new energy technology and sourcing, or you don't. [etc.]

As Cuomo said to Giulani (in that scary quoted dialog that Needs posted above on this page), "Facts are not in the eye of the beholder."

[kiidcarter8]

I know you are in stalk mode, YG - and this is an open forum, but when a member of the forum is QUOTED, the question is pretty much aimed at them for a response.

The least you could have done is answer both parts

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Whats the 195 number?

You’d have to ask SHS.  I could care less.  It isn’t an illuminating comparison, but one meant to support a prejudged conclusion.  Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression, Trump took over a strong and still strengthening economy.

Is that final year, Obama?

LOL.  You are as clueless as SHS.

Do you honestly think Trump has done a poor job with the economy?

Trump’s economic performance wasn’t the subject of my post.

I honestly think Trump is doing a fantastic job taking credit for an economy he has done little to influence.  A non-crazy choice for Fed Chair and tax cuts that have had a moderate stimulus effect offset by tariffs and the ramping up of a deficit that will leave the government unprepared to fight the next downturn.

[Yankguy1]

 and this is an open forum

Don't like others chiming in on an open forum, talk to the person you want to talk to, one on one, using the message function.

The 195,000 number was calculated by Sanders failing to take into account the date parameters that the statistics showed.  You could have found this yourself.  Look in the Washington Post (liberal media!!!!).  I'll even provide the link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/15/the-presidents-objective-economic-advisory-team-dumps-deeply-misleading-numbers-on-the-public/?utm_term=.ad0fcfe7ca37

Only problem is that the article appears to be more than 280 characters.

[kiidcarter8]

Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression

Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.

[facilitatorn]

With growth stalling out and real wages dropping at an accelerating rate, the trump downturn is well underway. It will be even more apparent in next quarter’s numbers.

With an executive and cabinet who’s only wealth is what they’ve stolen, the incompetence and corruption make the epic downturn inevitable but reversible with huge Democratic wins in the fall and a return of oversight to the federal government.

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Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression

Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.

Largest stimulus package in our history leading to saving an estimated 3 million jobs…and there isn’t anything in a sharp economic downturn that would lead us to expect the longest continuous period of economic expansion ever.

While a 14 year old could have taken over the Obama economy and “achieved” the same, it takes a Republican to trumpet those numbers after previously calling them a 
 “disaster” under their predecessor.   

And a Trumpist to buy that story without questioning it.

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Not only is Trumpism the new Conservatism, you aren't a real conservative yourself unless you supported Trump immediately following the Access Hollywood tape.  That is the conservative litmus test now.  You don't support Trump's abuse of women, you're a RINO:

Johnson’s ad hits Pawlenty for calling Trump “unhinged and unfit to be president,” just weeks before the 2016 election, a reference to the statement that Pawlenty put out after the “Access Hollywood” news broke. In the ad, Johnson then says, “When the Supreme Court and our economy were on the line, Tim Pawlenty stuck his finger in the wind,” before declaring himself the real “conservative” in the race and promising not to “panic when it matters most”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/15/the-new-gop-litmus-test-defending-trump-at-his-absolute-worst/?utm_term=.1780a3ef10cd

[facilitatorn]

With trump’s personal popularity at 31%, according to Gallup, it’s nice to hear a concise and cogent voice from the conservative side explain the 11% Democrat advantage in generic congressional ballot and simultaneously account for our three stooges.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/did-i-join-a-movement-that-naturally-attracts-extremists-and-kooks?ref=home

[kiidcarter8]

Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression

Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.

Largest stimulus package in our history leading to saving an estimated 3 million jobs…

Exactly

Any president with an economy that poor upon takeover and with that number stimulus available couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it.

The issue has always been use of the stimulus.  But that's an aside.

O's done.  Did the best he could - and represnted the nation with elegance.

Best now to look ahead.

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Any president with an economy that poor upon takeover and with that number stimulus available couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it.

Curious phrasing here...

"Any president" - Obama was active his first few years fighting for a stimulus, passing wall street reform, putting together a bill that got healthcare to millions, and fighting GOP demands for budget cuts.  You could argue "any president" if these moves would have been the default positions of "any president" but they certainly were not.  So as it is, you have zero standing to make the claim that any President would have had the same results.

"that number stimulus available" - See above.  President Obama and the Democrats made that stimulus available.  A Republican president, with zero R votes for it in the House, and a super-majority required in the Senate, would not have made that stimulus available.  But I'm heartened that you understand that it was a big help to the economy.

"with an economy that poor...couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it."

Actually, starting out with a big jobs deficit (4 million jobs lost in the first year) makes it far harder to "come out on the positive side of it."  Negative 4 million means you need 4 million to get to zero vs starting out at zero (or starting out at plus 2 million, like Trump).  Math can be hard sometimes, but this math is simple.

O's done.  Did the best he could - and represnted the nation with elegance.

Best now to look ahead.

Again, you will have to take that up with SHS, who not only bungled the comparison, but thought it relevant in the first place.