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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bambu-wisdom]

With half the population of Russia being Christians [72 million]...and 41% of that half being Russian Orthodox...it would be a foolish Vlad who'd not rush to Syria to save the Christians there.
Doubt he'd want 72 million angry Russian Christians against him.

Maybe Christian Donald has also seen the light...and is doing right by the Christians in Syria.
One can only hope.

[FlyingVProd]

What if as our troops were pulled out of Syria, we sent in people with money and a plan?

And you can hire police, and security guards, etc, if you have money. You can also buy weapons, etc.

There will be a vacuum as the American troops are pulled out, and people with money and a plan need to step in and begin operations in Syria. As well as in Afghanistan, and Iraq.

People need to be busy with money and plans.

And those areas needs schools, and teachers, etc. With peace the children can focus on school, and play, like children should.

Businesses need to open in those areas.

Afghanistan can grow cotton, and they can make stuff from the cotton. They already respect Egyptian cotton, and they would love to grow cotton.

Iraq can have tourism, and casinos, and horse racing, and cattle ranches, etc, much like Nevada, USA.

Okay, for the plan for Syria, they can manufacture cell phones, and computers, etc, and they can manufacture solar panels, and other stuff to help with the green energy economy. Syria can have factories.

People just need to go in with money and a plan.

We can fill the vacuum with the kind of world that we want to live in.

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu-wisdom]

The US could move troops out of the Middle East/Afghanistan and tell them all that:

"If your countries become hotbeds of terrorism that threaten us and/or our allies, and we have to come back here...there won't be any pussy-footing around next time!"

[josh]

Josh,  major spam attack in Business and Tech thread.

Thanks.

[bodiddley]

Leaking.
Well....keep us updated.

The Trump WH has been a complete sieve.
And almost all of what has leaked out, especially with details at this level, have turned out to be true.  Also, Erdogan's Turkey has shown a gov't willingness to leak the hell out of things when in their interest.  Plus the WH denial was generic and didn't counter any specifics (ie that trump decided to pull out while on the phone with Erdogan).

What typically happens in Trumpland is that the next misstep/crisis/distraction occurs so quickly that the prior failure/mistake/botch-job gets forgotten quickly. 

And this wouldn't be the first time Trump trusted and agreed with a foreign leader over his own generals and advisors.  And as we saw with the high-level Saudi murder, Trump is willing to look the other way if he can conclude an arms sale.

[josh]

Trump tweets he no longer owns the shutdown. Democrats do.

He was a liar when he said he would own it.

Nobody believed him. Except maybe you and Bambi.

Nobody believes him now when he tries to blame the Democrats, when he couldn't muster 50 Republicans in the Senate to get it to Pence to break the tie.

He owns it.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/21/politics/supreme-court-upholds-block-on-trumps-asylum-ban/index.html

Chief Justice Roberts and the four more liberal justices upheld the block on the administration's policy, signed on November 9, that would temporarily bar migrants who illegally cross into the US through the southern border from seeking asylum outside of official ports of entry.

Justice Department spokesman Steven Stafford said the department would continue fighting the block on the ban.

"We are disappointed that the Court did not stay one of the unprecedented 25 nationwide injunctions against the Trump administration, but the Court has not yet fully considered the merits of this case," Stafford said in a statement to CNN. "We will continue to defend the Executive Branch's lawful authority over the discretionary benefit of asylum."

It is unprecedented because no president before Trump has tried so hard to exceed the powers granted him by the Constitution.

[luee]

Unprecedented because chain immigration has never been the issue it is now.

---We need Trump’s border wall plus other measures to reduce illegal immigration---

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/we-need-trumps-border-wall-plus-other-measures-to-reduce-illegal-immigration


---A Gallup World Poll released earlier this month found that 15 percent of the world’s adults said they would move permanently to another country if they could. That’s about 750 million people. Assuming the adults brought their children, the number of migrants would be higher.---
 

[bodiddley]

The Islamic State, according to Trump himself, had been defeated, Erdogan said. Turkey’s military was strong and could take on any remaining militant pockets. Why did some 2,000 U.S. troops still need to be there?

“You know what? It’s yours,” Trump said of Syria. “I’m leaving.”

The call, shorthanded in more or less the same words by several senior administration officials, set off events that, even by the whirlwind standards of Washington in the Trump years, have been cataclysmic. They ended, for the moment at least, with Thursday’s resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.

This account of the tumultuous past week is drawn from interviews with government officials in the White House and across national security departments, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity while the dust was still settling.

So we even have Trump's likely exact words on the call with Erdogan . . .

[whiskeypriest]

Trump tweets he no longer owns the shutdown. Democrats do.

He was a liar when he said he would own it.

Nobody believed him. Except maybe you and Bambi.

Nobody believes him now when he tries to blame the Democrats, when he couldn't muster 50 Republicans in the Senate to get it to Pence to break the tie.

He owns it.

Trump: I am proud to shut down the government for border security!

kiiiid: Yay Trump!

Presidential Aid, whispering: Mr. President, shut downs are politically unpopular, and especially now, costing people at Christmas.

Trump: The Democrats own the shutdown!

kiiiiiiid: Yay Trump!

[whiskeypriest]

Unprecedented because chain immigration has never been the issue it is now.

Do you even know what "chain migration" is?

[LarryBnDC]

Unprecedented because chain immigration has never been the issue it is now.

Do you even know what "chain migration" is?

Does he even care?

[kiiidcarter8]

Trump tweets he no longer owns the shutdown. Democrats do.

He was a liar when he said he would own it.

Nobody believed him. Except maybe you and Bambi.

Doesn't matter to me who is blamed.  If you know the process and the stance of each side you can chose to lay blame if you wish.  I won't quibble.

But when the man says 5 bil and you stand firm at 1.6 and he doesn't bend, you maybe shouldn't be so surprised or alarmed.

[Yankguy1]

It shouldn't be one cent and the Democrats need to keep reminding people of that.

[luee]

Unprecedented because chain immigration has never been the issue it is now.

Do you even know what "chain migration" is?

---Put simply, "chain migration" is a term used to describe the ability of U.S. citizens and green card holders to bring their extended family into the country.

A majority of the roughly one million foreigners who are allowed to enter the U.S. to become permanent residents each year are approved because they're related to Americans.

A U.S. citizen from New York City, for example, can sponsor her husband in Nepal for a green card. A green card holder from San Francisco can sponsor his daughter in Senegal. An American in Illinois can sponsor her niece in Israel.---