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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

Quite a change from the 71 - 23 against overturning Roe in the NBC/WSJ poll last July. But then, my Brother Knights did not have the question asked that way. Only 16% in that poll wanted to have abortion made illegal. Supporting any restriction at all was viewed as the equivalent of wanting Roe overturned, even though a strong majority of both parties supported abortion. There is an advantage to actually reading beyond headlines.

Which you didn't do.
Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the equivalent of outlawing abortion.

LOL. A large majority in that poll supported the continued legal protection of abortion.

Yes, my point.  How many times you want to repeat it?

The poll never asked if Roe should be overturned.

The whole point of the poll.

Rather than asking Americans whether they support or oppose Roe v. Wade, Marist and KOC asked about the ideal outcome of a reconsideration of the Court's original ruling. The poll asked respondents, "Which comes closest to your view of what the Supreme Court should do when it reconsiders Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling making abortion illegal in the United States?"
Most Americans either wanted the Court to make abortion illegal (16 percent) or to "allow states to make certain restrictions" (49 percent). Both of these outcomes would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade

[REDSTATEWARD]

We're up to 35 credible or quasi-credible candidates for the Democratic nomination.

I bet Dana Milbank won't refer to this conglomeration of candidates as a "clown car'.
LOL

[whiskeypriest]

Quite a change from the 71 - 23 against overturning Roe in the NBC/WSJ poll last July. But then, my Brother Knights did not have the question asked that way. Only 16% in that poll wanted to have abortion made illegal. Supporting any restriction at all was viewed as the equivalent of wanting Roe overturned, even though a strong majority of both parties supported abortion. There is an advantage to actually reading beyond headlines.

Which you didn't do.
Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the equivalent of outlawing abortion.

LOL. A large majority in that poll supported the continued legal protection of abortion.

Yes, my point.  How many times you want to repeat it?

The poll never asked if Roe should be overturned.

The whole point of the poll.

Rather than asking Americans whether they support or oppose Roe v. Wade, Marist and KOC asked about the ideal outcome of a reconsideration of the Court's original ruling. The poll asked respondents, "Which comes closest to your view of what the Supreme Court should do when it reconsiders Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling making abortion illegal in the United States?"
Most Americans either wanted the Court to make abortion illegal (16 percent) or to "allow states to make certain restrictions" (49 percent). Both of these outcomes would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade

Yes indeed, that is the intellectually dishonest slight of hand at issue.

[josh]

We're up to 35 credible or quasi-credible candidates for the Democratic nomination.

I bet Dana Milbank won't refer to this conglomeration of candidates as a "clown car'.
LOL

This is not a clown car.

This is an entire Vaudvillian review!

[josh]

[REDSTATEWARD]

Quite a change from the 71 - 23 against overturning Roe in the NBC/WSJ poll last July. But then, my Brother Knights did not have the question asked that way. Only 16% in that poll wanted to have abortion made illegal. Supporting any restriction at all was viewed as the equivalent of wanting Roe overturned, even though a strong majority of both parties supported abortion. There is an advantage to actually reading beyond headlines.

Which you didn't do.
Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the equivalent of outlawing abortion.

LOL. A large majority in that poll supported the continued legal protection of abortion.

Yes, my point.  How many times you want to repeat it?

The poll never asked if Roe should be overturned.

The whole point of the poll.

Rather than asking Americans whether they support or oppose Roe v. Wade, Marist and KOC asked about the ideal outcome of a reconsideration of the Court's original ruling. The poll asked respondents, "Which comes closest to your view of what the Supreme Court should do when it reconsiders Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling making abortion illegal in the United States?"
Most Americans either wanted the Court to make abortion illegal (16 percent) or to "allow states to make certain restrictions" (49 percent). Both of these outcomes would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade

Yes indeed, that is the intellectually dishonest slight of hand at issue.

There is nothing intellectually dishonest about it at all.
The poll only reinforces Justice Ginsburg's oft repeated criticism of the Roe decision that " stopped the momentum on the side of  change".  She insists the better route was via the state legislatures AND the courts.
She is also troubled that the decision was focused on privacy rights rather than equal rights.
It is interesting that Ginsburg is an unabashed defender of abortion rights yet is disappointed over the decades of arguing about a decision she thought should have been left to the people.
The KOC poll seems to support her view.

 

[facilitatorn]

Roe v. Wade is where Red ran after Katrina and back when it looked like Enron would end the Bush administration before it got off the ground, as if strangling women’s choice somehow offsets republican corruption and incompetence.

When Red gets on his Roe v. Wade kick, you know things are looking especially bad for the GOP.

[bambu-wisdom]

Speaking of clowns;

What da Jews in Israel think they're doing?
Now they're mocking Christianity and Christians worldwide?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-15/ronald-mcdonald-mcjesus-statue-sparks-protests-in-israel/10715544

'McJesus' exhibit featuring crucified Ronald McDonald sparks violent protests in Israel

A sculpture of Ronald McDonald nailed to a cross — a spoof of the crucifixion of Jesus — has sparked violent protests in Israel, with rioters hurling a firebomb at the museum.

Key points:
•The protests were sparked by visitors sharing photos of the sculpture on social media
•Church representatives have demanded the removal of the exhibit's most offensive items
•The museum has refused to bow to "religious or political pressure"

Hundreds of Christians calling for the removal of the sculpture, entitled "McJesus," demonstrated at the museum in the northern city of Haifa last week.

However, Mr Tal said the museum would not bow to religious or political pressure.
"We will be defending freedom of speech, freedom of art, and freedom of culture, and will not take it down," he said.

#####

So obviously the Jewish govt is happy with it all.
Not a good idea, starting a war with Christians, IMO.

Wonder if they'd be so happy if Christians outside Israel were to make a sculpture...showing the entrance gates to Auschwitz, an oven, and Ronald McDonald being cooked in one, with the sculpture titled "McToastie".

We Christians are sick and tired of being the butt of everyone's jokes today.

Notice the museum [and Jewish govt by their inaction] were not game enough to have 'McMohammed' and mocking Islam.

[whiskeypriest]

Speaking of clowns;

But where are the clowns
Send in the clowns
Don't bother, bambu's here

[NeedsAdjustments]

Quite a change from the 71 - 23 against overturning Roe in the NBC/WSJ poll last July. But then, my Brother Knights did not have the question asked that way. Only 16% in that poll wanted to have abortion made illegal. Supporting any restriction at all was viewed as the equivalent of wanting Roe overturned, even though a strong majority of both parties supported abortion. There is an advantage to actually reading beyond headlines.

Which you didn't do.
Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the equivalent of outlawing abortion.

LOL. A large majority in that poll supported the continued legal protection of abortion.

Yes, my point.  How many times you want to repeat it?

The poll never asked if Roe should be overturned.

The whole point of the poll.

Rather than asking Americans whether they support or oppose Roe v. Wade, Marist and KOC asked about the ideal outcome of a reconsideration of the Court's original ruling. The poll asked respondents, "Which comes closest to your view of what the Supreme Court should do when it reconsiders Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling making abortion illegal in the United States?"
Most Americans either wanted the Court to make abortion illegal (16 percent) or to "allow states to make certain restrictions" (49 percent). Both of these outcomes would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade

Yes indeed, that is the intellectually dishonest slight of hand at issue.

There is nothing intellectually dishonest about it at all.
The poll only reinforces Justice Ginsburg's oft repeated criticism of the Roe decision that " stopped the momentum on the side of  change".  She insists the better route was via the state legislatures AND the courts.
She is also troubled that the decision was focused on privacy rights rather than equal rights.
It is interesting that Ginsburg is an unabashed defender of abortion rights yet is disappointed over the decades of arguing about a decision she thought should have been left to the people.
The KOC poll seems to support her view.

“Some restrictions” does not ask if States should have the right to ban abortions entirely.  That is the conflation the piece you are posting makes, and yes, it is dishonest.

States already place “some restrictions” on abortion, and Roe v. Wade, last time I checked, has not been overturned.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Nails it:

They’re taking on King instead of taking on Trump. It’s safer. This is... the sacrifice of one wretched bigot to atone for the indulgence of another; an opportunity for moral preening after so much moral surrender.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/opinion/republicans-racism-steve-king.html

[NeedsAdjustments]

Nothing dishonest about the way this polling is read:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/425422-a-majority-of-americans-support-raising-the-top-tax-rate-to-70?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Goes a long way toward explaining their obsession and why Republicans want AOC to be “destroyed(!)”

[Yankguy1]

Nothing dishonest about the way this polling is read:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/425422-a-majority-of-americans-support-raising-the-top-tax-rate-to-70?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Goes a long way toward explaining their obsession and why Republicans want AOC to be “destroyed(!)”

Wow. ACO may be more prescient than she is given credit for.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Quite a change from the 71 - 23 against overturning Roe in the NBC/WSJ poll last July. But then, my Brother Knights did not have the question asked that way. Only 16% in that poll wanted to have abortion made illegal. Supporting any restriction at all was viewed as the equivalent of wanting Roe overturned, even though a strong majority of both parties supported abortion. There is an advantage to actually reading beyond headlines.

Which you didn't do.
Overturning Roe v. Wade is not the equivalent of outlawing abortion.

LOL. A large majority in that poll supported the continued legal protection of abortion.

Yes, my point.  How many times you want to repeat it?

The poll never asked if Roe should be overturned.

The whole point of the poll.

Rather than asking Americans whether they support or oppose Roe v. Wade, Marist and KOC asked about the ideal outcome of a reconsideration of the Court's original ruling. The poll asked respondents, "Which comes closest to your view of what the Supreme Court should do when it reconsiders Roe v. Wade, the 1973 ruling making abortion illegal in the United States?"
Most Americans either wanted the Court to make abortion illegal (16 percent) or to "allow states to make certain restrictions" (49 percent). Both of these outcomes would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade

Yes indeed, that is the intellectually dishonest slight of hand at issue.

There is nothing intellectually dishonest about it at all.
The poll only reinforces Justice Ginsburg's oft repeated criticism of the Roe decision that " stopped the momentum on the side of  change".  She insists the better route was via the state legislatures AND the courts.
She is also troubled that the decision was focused on privacy rights rather than equal rights.
It is interesting that Ginsburg is an unabashed defender of abortion rights yet is disappointed over the decades of arguing about a decision she thought should have been left to the people.
The KOC poll seems to support her view.

“Some restrictions” does not ask if States should have the right to ban abortions entirely. 

I guess you might missed the part  equivalent That is the conflation the piece you are posting makes, and yes, it is dishonest.

[/quote]
The existing regulations do not overturn Roe v Wade.
You might want to actually read the article and think about it. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

What a surprise!

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-01-14/trump-tax-cut-turns-out-both-better-and-worse?__twitter_impression=true

Not like anyone predicted this would happen in real time...