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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

We are.  At least going back to the first Roosevelt administration.  And possibly going back to labor reforms following the Haymarket Square riots in the 1880s.  Unregulated capitalism was amoral, predatory, and in some cases lethal. 

Technically, when RW-ers say "socialism," they are somewhat misusing the term, which means government ownership of all means of production, as well as services.  In the U.S. what we have is democratically regulated capitalism, where the government does not own, but exercises some control over, producers and the commodification of labor.

LOL.
Barton is totally confused on how market economies work.

Regulatory and public institutions are essential to a capitalistic system....

So why do you keep calling proposed public regulation “ socialism”?

I don’t.

[Hairy Lime]

Sometime in the not.so distant future I see Red, facing massive world wide food shortages, Florida under water, Kansas and Nebraska vast desserts....

Kansas can be rather pancake-like.

Well, I did just have breakfast.

[facilitatorn]

Speaking about desserts, I’m hoping for a big conversation about Delaware and the companies registered there in tonight’s debate.

[bambu.]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/samoa-prime-minister-climate-change_n_5b8bb947e4b0511db3d98cb4?sfns=mo&fbclid=IwAR0oSsLPGft7NN3EWj4COd4BAptWvYx1SnYWxPbWhl3S6Uf4rfv24tNWAUk

"Leaders who deny climate change are stupid."

So, too, posters.

That's whether they deny it is caused by humans, deny that it is a significant threat to our way of life, or deny that we can and should do something about it.

Record temperatures in SE QLD state.
Record drought and milk being rationed in Sydney.
In 1946

[bambu.]

Do you see the teachers, parents, and school kids who are ranting about 'climate change' [another school strike and protests soon in Sydney] actually doing anything to change their 'wicked' climate change/carbon dioxide] ways...to show us all the way?
Have they;
. Ditched their gas guzzling cars and are walking everywhere?
. Ditched everything they have that's electrical, ...phone chargers, computers, TVs, heaters/aircon...etc etc etc.

Are they;
. Lobbying for nuclear power stations?

Electric cars need charging from a power point...electricity. [from coal-fired power stations, nothing else can provide enough power atm].
Installing solar panels on their rooves?  maybe not, and who could blame them given the number of shonks who have installed faulty systems.

PM Morrison seems just a clone of former PM Turnbull, 'climate change' devotees, although pretending not to be.
No new coal-fired power stations on the horizon yet, despite Morrison basically promising one or more.

[bambu.]

Guns are great...for preventing/limiting school massacres.

On my tv the other night was shown from America the latest in school security.

. A briefcase that folds out to form a bullet proof body height shield.
. One principal was shown with a gleaming '45', that fits into a special 'Bible case'.
. Metal detectors, etc...lots of good stuff.
. Little kids training to hide under tables.

Schools need to be turned into fortresses.

[bambu.]

Twisters/hurricanes/tornadoes, whatever, in Dakota, warning alarms were not activated [ridiculous, heads should roll], place smashed badly.
We have an Elba poster who lives in the Dakotas?

[FlyingVProd]

My Mother lives out in the desert here in Southern California, and she needs air conditioning in the summer, and her electricity bill was extremely high, but now she had solar panels installed on her roof, and so she no longer has to pay a high electricity bill, but she still has to pay for the solar panels.

She is saving a lot of money, and she is very happy with her solar panels. Plus, she is doing her part to save the environment.

And all of the new houses being built in California have to have solar panels, so everyone is going to save money, along with helping the environment. 

The movement to save the environment is well under way here in California. 

Salute,

Tony V.

[REDSTATEWARD]

News Item-9/12/2019


Virginia state judge has ruled the city of Charlottesville cannot move two Civil War statues that were at the center of the riots in 2017.

After Judge Richard Moore issued his ruling Wednesday, plaintiffs that argued in defense of the statues are requesting $604,000 to cover attorney fees, plus $500 for each plaintiff.

The Charlottesville City Council voted unanimously in 2017 to move the statues after a Unite The Right rally for white supremacists led to riots and clashes between protest groups, in which one person was killed.

Moore issued a permanent injunction against moving the statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson after several war monument groups filed a lawsuit to stop the city council decision.

Moore ruled Wednesday that abiding by the city council vote would violate a 1904 state law that prohibits moving any and all war memorials.

[LarryBnDC]

A serious conversation means people listening to, and producing, facts.  I wouldn't risk it. 

No one knows what damage from ecosystem damage or collapse would really cost to remedy.   Some costs won't be in dollars.  Some measures will be palliative care, not a cure.   But if we don't start now, the suffering will be beyond description.

Good luck on convincing voters to give up jobs  providing energy to fight an “ existential threat” that doesn’t exist. It didn’t work very well for Hillary in West  Virginia as I recall.

Fuck those guys if they insist on maintaining an industry where even the owners know it is dying and they’re determined to yank that last bit of fossil fuel out of those mountains regardless the fate of the White Working Class.

[facilitatorn]

Guns are great...for preventing/limiting school massacres.

Hard to tell if you are a moron trying to be an asshole or an asshole trying to be a moron.

[barton]

Twisters/hurricanes/tornadoes, whatever, in Dakota, warning alarms were not activated [ridiculous, heads should roll], place smashed badly.
We have an Elba poster who lives in the Dakotas?

Yes.   Employee error in the dispatch center, so 3/4 of Sioux Falls didn't hear sirens.  His head will undoubtedly roll.   SF is the seat of Minnehaha County, which was as the name suggests only slightly amused.  I live at the other end of the state, which is mostly out of the tornado region, protected by mountains. 

[facilitatorn]

My Mother lives out in the desert here in Southern California, and she needs air conditioning in the summer, and her electricity bill was extremely high, but now she had solar panels installed on her roof, and so she no longer has to pay a high electricity bill, but she still has to pay for the solar panels.

She is saving a lot of money, and she is very happy with her solar panels. Plus, she is doing her part to save the environment.

And all of the new houses being built in California have to have solar panels, so everyone is going to save money, along with helping the environment.

The movement to save the environment is well under way here in California.

Salute,

Tony V.

Not only are we saving the environment and the economy, we’re saving the soul of the nation.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/12/california-private-prison-ban-immigration-ice

Time for the rest of the country to wake the fuck up.

[LarryBnDC]

Almost ten years later...

America wasted serious talent and then elected Donald Trump.

White people never forgave Professor Obama:

It was the type of performance that Obama’s supporters have long demanded and that his own aides have been eager to deliver. The question-and-answer session at the end wasn’t initially supposed to be broadcast, but the White House pressured GOP leadership to bring the cameras in. They knew the optics it would generate, a source with knowledge of the planning relayed. Hours before the event began, Republican leaders finally relented.

What resulted was what one Democratic strategist described as “amazing theater” — certainly for cable news. Standing on a stage, looking down at his Republican questioners, Obama assumed the role of responsible adult to the GOP children, or, at the very least, of a college professor teaching and lecturing a room full of students.

He chastised Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) for calling his economic agenda radical and poked fun at the GOP’s own platform. “I am not an ideologue, I’m not,” he said. “It doesn’t make sense if somebody could tell me, ‘You could do this cheaper and get increased results,’ then I would say, ‘Great.’ The problem is, I couldn’t find credible economists who could back up the claims that you just made.”




https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-goes-to-the-gop-lio_n_442331

[REDSTATEWARD]

   News Item-9/12/2019


The leading indicator of gun sales jumped in August, driven in part by Americans seeking self-protection and deep concerns congressional Democrats are going to push through expanded gun control legislation.

The overall number of background checks recorded in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System surged 15.5%, said the National Shooting Sports Foundation. That figure includes background checks done for security, concealed carry permits, and gun sales and was the highest August number ever recorded.
The new surge came in the wake of heightened pressure for gun control, sales bans on military-styled rifles, and limits on ammo following a spike in mass shootings.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Monday demanded Senate passage of a House-approved background check expansion. The White House, however, is focused on mental health drivers in shootings.


Analysts said that it might be the start of a 2016-style buying binge. Then, calls by Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton for gun control and an assault weapon ban led to the highest yearly sales and background checks ever.

Justin Anderson, the marketing director for Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, North Carolina, one of the nation’s largest sellers, said fears of a liberal gun grab and a drive for self-protection are pushing sales higher.

“As we’ve seen in the past, the recent publicizing of mass shootings has fueled people’s concerns about their personal safety. We are seeing many first-time gun buyers, and our concealed carry classes are booking up quickly,” said Anderson.

“Political figures talking about gun bans and confiscation is also starting to figure into sales. We’ve seen a slight uptick in the sale of tactical rifles as a result,” he added.