Escape from Elba

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Poll

The vaccine for the novel coronavirus should be

available to all Americans
- 4 (100%)
available only to Americans who can afford $3000 or whose insurance covers it
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: March 04, 2020, 12:32:27 PM


Pages: 1 ... 1405 1406 [1407] 1408 1409 ... 2054

Author Topic: Trump Administration  (Read 290130 times)

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2238
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21090 on: October 03, 2019, 09:09:11 AM »

The "president's" son posting anti-semitic tropes on twitter.  Strangely, haven't heard the "president" nor any one of his Republican colleagues comment on this.

Sure they are writing up their statements as we speak.  We all know how concerning this type of thing is for them.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

REDSTATEWARD

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2415
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21091 on: October 03, 2019, 09:31:48 AM »

Reality  check from William Galston, a liberal columnist for the Wall Street Journal:

...It is possible that not a single House Republican will support any article of impeachment against Mr. Trump. Of the 53 Senate Republicans, 45 hail from solidly red states where the main threat to their re-election would come from a primary contest in which their opponent was backed by Mr. Trump. Of the remaining eight, only four will face the voters in 2020.

The odds are that when Democrats strike at the king, they won’t kill him. Now is the time for them to ask whether this outcome will improve their chances of defeating Mr. Trump in the 2020 election and, if not, whether they should pursue a course more likely to benefit the country and their own prospects.
Logged

Yankguy1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2024
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21092 on: October 03, 2019, 10:04:25 AM »

How come Red quotes William Galston when I've been making the same argument from Day 1?
Logged
That's the way that the world goes 'round....

Hairy Lime

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1254
  • Used to be whiskeypriest.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21093 on: October 03, 2019, 10:17:52 AM »

How come Red quotes William Galston when I've been making the same argument from Day 1?
You should be happy and surprised he actually sourced the quote.

That was my argument before the Ukraine stuff.
Logged
You and I aren't heroes. This world doesn't make any heroes, outside of your stories

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2238
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21094 on: October 03, 2019, 10:32:53 AM »

How come Red quotes William Galston when I've been making the same argument from Day 1?

Yea, no kidding. Good thing we all have that "liberal" columnist from the WSJ to provide us all that reality check.  Truly a unique take.

« Last Edit: October 03, 2019, 10:34:25 AM by NeedsAdjustments »
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2238
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21095 on: October 03, 2019, 10:41:33 AM »

How come Red quotes William Galston when I've been making the same argument from Day 1?
You should be happy and surprised he actually sourced the quote.

That was my argument before the Ukraine stuff.

What I've said is that none of these arguments take into account how Trump's response to the impeachment inquiry might turn off voters.  The Galston piece no different. 

Trump was full on unhinged in his presser yesterday.  Independents may be split on impeachment, but I'd say a pretty solid majority don't want a raving lunatic as President.

Also missing from these arguments; this impeachment investigation concerns the 2020 election.  Whatever the political ramifications now, you have to raise this issue before its too late to, after Trump's tactics have been deployed.

Imagine if we are in the general election, Trump & Co had managed to sit on the whistleblower complaint and it never came to light, and selective releases start coming out of the press casting Biden as corrupt.  It would be the "But her Emails!" all over again, based on info extorted by Trump from Ukraine, but the damage would already be done.

And don't think for a second there aren't other similar schemes in the works as we speak.  We need to do whatever we can to bring them to light.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

josh

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7103
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21096 on: October 03, 2019, 10:42:09 AM »

Reality  check from William Galston, a liberal columnist for the Wall Street Journal:

...It is possible that not a single House Republican will support any article of impeachment against Mr. Trump. Of the 53 Senate Republicans, 45 hail from solidly red states where the main threat to their re-election would come from a primary contest in which their opponent was backed by Mr. Trump. Of the remaining eight, only four will face the voters in 2020.

The odds are that when Democrats strike at the king, they won’t kill him. Now is the time for them to ask whether this outcome will improve their chances of defeating Mr. Trump in the 2020 election and, if not, whether they should pursue a course more likely to benefit the country and their own prospects.

But do you think the conduct merits an impeachment inquiry?
Logged
The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury." ~Lindsey Graham

Hairy Lime

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1254
  • Used to be whiskeypriest.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21097 on: October 03, 2019, 10:48:50 AM »

How come Red quotes William Galston when I've been making the same argument from Day 1?
You should be happy and surprised he actually sourced the quote.

That was my argument before the Ukraine stuff.

What I've said is that none of these arguments take into account how Trump's response to the impeachment inquiry might turn off voters.  The Galston piece no different. 

Trump was full on unhinged in his presser yesterday.  Independents may be split on impeachment, but I'd say a pretty solid majority don't want a raving lunatic as President.

Also missing from these arguments; this impeachment investigation concerns the 2020 election.  Whatever the political ramifications now, you have to raise this issue before its too late to, after Trump's tactics have been deployed.

Imagine if we are in the general election, Trump & Co had managed to sit on the whistleblower complaint and it never came to light, and selective releases start coming out of the press casting Biden as corrupt.  It would be the "But her Emails!" all over again, based on info extorted by Trump from Ukraine, but the damage would already be done.

And don't think for a second there aren't other similar schemes in the works as we speak.  We need to do whatever we can to bring them to light.
Yeah, as.Colbert noted, Trump seems to be losing it and he did not have a lot of it to begin with.
Logged
You and I aren't heroes. This world doesn't make any heroes, outside of your stories

LarryBnDC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2818
    • View Profile
    • The Shinbone Star
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21098 on: October 03, 2019, 10:53:37 AM »

Trump calls on China to investigate the Bidens... China in next week for trade negotiations.
Logged
“To be led by a fool is to be lead by the opportunists who control the fool." - Octavia Butler

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2238
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21099 on: October 03, 2019, 10:57:21 AM »

Reality  check from William Galston, a liberal columnist for the Wall Street Journal:

...It is possible that not a single House Republican will support any article of impeachment against Mr. Trump. Of the 53 Senate Republicans, 45 hail from solidly red states where the main threat to their re-election would come from a primary contest in which their opponent was backed by Mr. Trump. Of the remaining eight, only four will face the voters in 2020.

The odds are that when Democrats strike at the king, they won’t kill him. Now is the time for them to ask whether this outcome will improve their chances of defeating Mr. Trump in the 2020 election and, if not, whether they should pursue a course more likely to benefit the country and their own prospects.

But do you think the conduct merits an impeachment inquiry?

There is a memo out there that reportedly describes Trump's telling Russian officials he met with in 2017 that he wasn't concerned about their interference in the 2016 election, and it was buried.

How can any loyal American not be for an inquiry into this?  Lets see the memo.  Maybe it describes an interaction that is not as incriminating as reported.  Maybe its worse. 

Why would you not want to know one way or the other, unless you suspect the answer will not be favorable to the political party that wants to cut taxes on the already rich?
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2238
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21100 on: October 03, 2019, 11:00:01 AM »

Trump calls on China to investigate the Bidens... China in next week for trade negotiations.

Combination of instinctive lawlessness and stupidity leads Trump to say "yeah, I did it.  And I'll do it again."

But guys, reality check, this might be bad for Democrats politically....right?  The WSJ says so.
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2238
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21101 on: October 03, 2019, 11:01:04 AM »

I'll say it once more:

What I've said is that none of these arguments take into account how Trump's response to the impeachment inquiry might turn off voters. 
Logged
"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."  -  The impeached "president" on Feb 27, 2020

Hairy Lime

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1254
  • Used to be whiskeypriest.
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21102 on: October 03, 2019, 12:52:25 PM »

I'll say it once more:

What I've said is that none of these arguments take into account how Trump's response to the impeachment inquiry might turn off voters. 
Yeah, I mean he could do something really stupid like asking one of the many countries he has provoked into a trade war - say, China - to investigate a political rival ahead of trade negotiations. I mean, given the political firestorm around his asking Ukraine to investigate Biden, could you imagine him becoming unhinged enough to ask CHINA.to do it? He can't be that stupid and off rails... can he?
Logged
You and I aren't heroes. This world doesn't make any heroes, outside of your stories

Itz ME!

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 56
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21103 on: October 03, 2019, 01:25:32 PM »

"That might be just crazy enough to work!"

Logged

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3820
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #21104 on: October 03, 2019, 01:26:00 PM »

He is that stupid and off the rails.

He has always been that stupid and off the rails.

Republicans don’t have to vote to impeach for the impeachment to be successful, so long as most independents and a decent chunk of republicans reject the republicans who remain in support of traitor don, his crumbling administration, and his tanking economy.

If Rass shows clearly that running against President Pelosi gives Moscow Mitch a better chance of staying in office than being saddled with trump and pence, it will be a bipartisan consensus that results in removal.

The odds of this are currently no more than 40%, but they are growing every day.
Logged
“The President shouldn’t be worse than the disease.”
Pages: 1 ... 1405 1406 [1407] 1408 1409 ... 2054