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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bambu.]

Thing is...when Mr Trump tells 'em he'll make them cease to exist or totally destroy their economies if they do things he doesn't like...they soon do things he does like.
Gotta love Mr Trump.

And you think that happened here?

I do.
He said he'd totally destroy Turkey's economy if it didn't do what he wanted.

[josh]

Thing is...when Mr Trump tells 'em he'll make them cease to exist or totally destroy their economies if they do things he doesn't like...they soon do things he does like.
Gotta love Mr Trump.

And you think that happened here?

I do.
He said he'd totally destroy Turkey's economy if it didn't do what he wanted.

And what makes you think that they are doing what he wanted?

They wanted to establish a security zone and wipe out any threat from the Kurds in that area.

The Kurds can now abandon their homes and their weapons and move or not do that (which is far more likely) and Erdogan will resume operations - this is not, as they have said, a ceasefire, just a pause.

Trump told Erdogan not to kill bunches of people. Erdogan threw the letter away and proceeded to kill bunches of people.
Maybe you think it's like with North Korea. Trump told Kim Jong Un not to build nukes or to fire missiles, and sure enough! He's building nukes and firing missiles.

Some power that Trump has!

[josh]

http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAIWAcA?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR0zK8WdrCSDJom1ZgJXR63iF-h8ARElwcVmu3GiC8y6c5w-5ngujLQfq5w

Or perhaps the Utah Senator is right and Turkey told Trump that they were going to invade, either way, so get your troops out if you don't want them smashed.

[josh]

http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAIWxE8?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR0DFtsgB9YIJceofYhAHXJEBvKAPR9PPwniEHBf1VRvonJfFh_Qb1lH0sk

ex-Special Ops commander says the US is under attack by the president.

No doubt Kid will think that needs more analysis.

Former Adm. William McRaven (Ret.) argued in an op-ed Thursday that President Trump is "destroying" the United States, warning that the future of the country is "in peril" if Trump is not removed from office.

[josh]

"I don't say this lightly, and I worked for two years in the Trump administration. He doesn't know what he's doing or talking about. He made this decision on Sunday night without any contingency plan for our troops on the ground."
-Brett McGurk, former special presidential envoy

<meanwhile>

Conservatives: Um, okay, and I'm just asking here, but what if maybe he actually DOESN'T know more than the generals?

Other Conservatives: ¯\(°_o)/¯

Lindsey Graham (probably): Sacrifices have to be made to own the libs, man!

Conservatives: You're right. Of course, you're right.

Graham was a bit better than that, to be fair.

[Yankguy1]

Thing is...when Mr Trump tells 'em he'll make them cease to exist or totally destroy their economies if they do things he doesn't like...they soon do things he does like.
Gotta love Mr Trump.

And you think that happened here?

I do.
He said he'd totally destroy Turkey's economy if it didn't do what he wanted.

And you think they're doing what he wanted?

[josh]

Thing is...when Mr Trump tells 'em he'll make them cease to exist or totally destroy their economies if they do things he doesn't like...they soon do things he does like.
Gotta love Mr Trump.

And you think that happened here?

I do.
He said he'd totally destroy Turkey's economy if it didn't do what he wanted.

And you think they're doing what he wanted?

Yes, he does.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/republicans-mick-mulvaney-reaction/index.html

"You don't hold up foreign aid that we had previously appropriated for a political initiative," said GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. "Period."

Republican Rep. Francis Rooney of Florida called Mulvaney's acknowledgment about withholding Ukraine aid "troubling," saying it is "not a good thing" to do that in connection "with threatening foreign leaders."

Rooney would not rule out the prospects of supporting impeaching the President.

"I'm not going to say anything about that until all the facts are in," he said. "I remember too many people saying, 'Oh, this is a witch hunt against Richard Nixon,' and come to find out it wasn't a witch hunt."

Hours after the news conference, Mulvaney released a statement reversing his prior comments, now claiming there was "absolutely no quid pro quo between Ukrainian military aid and any investigation into the 2016 election."

"The President never told me to withhold any money until the Ukrainians did anything related to the server," he added.

Barn door, horse.

Not all GOP congressmen have integrity, however. As the story notes, one disapproved, but insisted it was "not impeachable." Another just denied that anything before spelled out quid pro quo and claimed not to have seen Mulvaney's comments. I imagine he will cling to the revised version in which we don't do that all the time.

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50091305

Turkey to suspend Syria offensive


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/syria-turkey-10-17-2019/index.html

Turkey confirms suspension of Syria offensive
Mevlut Cavusoglu, Turkey's foreign minister, confirmed that Ankara agreed to temporarily halt its offensive in northeast Syria to allow Kurdish fighters to withdraw from the region.

"The US side has accepted the necessity of a safe zone to protect Turkey's security interests. And we have reached a full agreement for the Turkish army to control this zone," he told a news conference in Ankara.

"This is not a ceasefire, a ceasefire can only be made only between two legitimate sides," he said, adding that withdrawing Kurdish fighters will return their heavy weapons and destroy their fortifications.

This is unilateral disarmament of the Kurds which will leave them vulnerable to Turkey's likely claiming that they were provoked and renewing their offensive.

Just unreal.  Pence agrees to give Turkey all the territory they wanted in a deal that would also require the Kurds to unilaterally disarm, and he has the nerve to crow about negotiating a "ceasefire."

Is it that these guys are just newbs, or do they think Americans are too dumb to follow what is going on?

Trump:  People have been trying to make this "Deal" for many years.

What people?  The Turks?  Putin?  Yeah, maybe.  The US?  No.  The SDF?  Hell no.

And note the "Deal" requires the Kurds to take actions there is next to no chance they will take, but Trump treats it as done and declares victory.

Now we can all move on and forget all about Syria again.  Right?

Sure. After all you said nothing when Obama did.

Oh, when was that, exactly, Ward?

right after he drew that red line in the sand.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/opinions/trump-abandoning-kurds-gop-could-break-ranks-cupp/index.html

[josh]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50091305

Turkey to suspend Syria offensive


https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/syria-turkey-10-17-2019/index.html

Turkey confirms suspension of Syria offensive
Mevlut Cavusoglu, Turkey's foreign minister, confirmed that Ankara agreed to temporarily halt its offensive in northeast Syria to allow Kurdish fighters to withdraw from the region.

"The US side has accepted the necessity of a safe zone to protect Turkey's security interests. And we have reached a full agreement for the Turkish army to control this zone," he told a news conference in Ankara.

"This is not a ceasefire, a ceasefire can only be made only between two legitimate sides," he said, adding that withdrawing Kurdish fighters will return their heavy weapons and destroy their fortifications.

This is unilateral disarmament of the Kurds which will leave them vulnerable to Turkey's likely claiming that they were provoked and renewing their offensive.

Just unreal.  Pence agrees to give Turkey all the territory they wanted in a deal that would also require the Kurds to unilaterally disarm, and he has the nerve to crow about negotiating a "ceasefire."

Is it that these guys are just newbs, or do they think Americans are too dumb to follow what is going on?

Trump:  People have been trying to make this "Deal" for many years.

What people?  The Turks?  Putin?  Yeah, maybe.  The US?  No.  The SDF?  Hell no.

And note the "Deal" requires the Kurds to take actions there is next to no chance they will take, but Trump treats it as done and declares victory.

Now we can all move on and forget all about Syria again.  Right?

Sure. After all you said nothing when Obama did.

Oh, when was that, exactly, Ward?

right after he drew that red line in the sand.

Nope. I objected. Did you?

H. Clinton agreedwith Obama's decision.

So did D. Trump.

I disagreed with both of them and said so.

[josh]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/10/tennessee-police-officers-force-woman-to-choose-between-baptism-or-jail/?fbclid=IwAR3rutEE1WwkIh1bL42GGDTts5uZ7qn5IAZz_DhX2U6nbF_Yx0unW4UidXw

[josh]

General Mattis disapproved of the Trump Syria decision/action and was not quiet about it.

Trump proceeded to explain that he fired Mattis because the man was too soft. Hah!

Mattis decided to fire back.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/defense-secretary-gen-james-mattis-roasts-donald-trump/story?id=66358021&cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR2jC2J-Y8z5K2WqL-aHPm6VxaQDGY2kiJpr0yUvRc9TfPKVlmO-nDti3Xc

[facilitatorn]

Mulvaney, as an acting flunky, can’t participate in a 25th Amendment removal procedure so he got his morbid abomination of a boss convicted instead. Nice power play Mick. Hope it ends your corrupt useless party forever.

[bambu.]

http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAIWAcA?ocid=sf&fbclid=IwAR0zK8WdrCSDJom1ZgJXR63iF-h8ARElwcVmu3GiC8y6c5w-5ngujLQfq5w

Or perhaps the Utah Senator is right and Turkey told Trump that they were going to invade, either way, so get your troops out if you don't want them smashed.

Erdogan needs bringing down a peg or two.

US troops smashed?
Not if bambu were running the Uncle Sam show.

"So, Mr Erdogan, you're going to invade no matter what, and kill American troops...my troops?
And then spill the blood of US ally the Kurds as well?
Interesting.
I can't allow you to do that, so might I suggest you think up something else.
Here's an idea;  what about you stop your invasion right now, I withdraw my troops, you let the Kurds leave the area, then you declare a permanent ceasefire, and stick to it?
Ahem...US Air Force...ever heard of that, MR Erdogan."