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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

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it was always an eye-opener that Trump's Ukraine scheme was too crazy even for Bolton to sign off on it.

Now, it seems he is ready to talk about what he knows.

Not good news for Trump:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-25-2019/h_03cd61ba3054bf4ed4c0cb9a78d79295

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Good morning, all

Wouldnt you agree, Larry that this has the potential to be a big fat hairy MESS for the Democrats?

Or are you comfortable that any work done on impeachment, even if unsuccessful, will bring more votes to your side in the 2020 general? 

Are you being patriotic, political or BOTH in your "impeach 45!" (best Maxine voice) stance?

No elected official, Democrat or Republican, should be able to use their power to engage the levers of the US Government to further their own election efforts.  Particularly when that engagement entails involving a foreign country.

Agree or disagree?

Area is gray - which I am sure you will find (and object to) when all is said and done.

There is Zero gray area based on the facts we already know.  From the moment Trump applied pressure on Ukraine to initiate a Biden investigation. 

The GOP tried to fabricate "gray area" by saying that there needed to be a Quid pro Quo.

Now, when that Quid Pro Quo is proven (reportedly not just with the military aid, but a trade deal was also delayed) the GOP will try to fabricate more "gray area."

But you answered the question.  You are ok with a President of the United States using the power of his office to engage foreign powers to work toward his election.  I am sure you are comfortable with that precedent being set no matter the party or priorities of the President who engages with it.

kiidcarter8 is all up in arms about the unfairness of the Constitutional process being used to investigate Trump in a congressional process being undertaken by both parties, but he is totally fine with an investigation being conducted of Biden under the totally strictly not corrupt prosecutorial standards in a Ukraine that is conducting said investigation under pressure from a US President obviously interested in their finding a guilty outcome.

So glad we have his middle of the road unbiased voice on this forum.  Remember, he is totally open to voting for a Democrat in 2020 if he deems one worthy.

Lol.

[kiidcarter8]

First, "Information on the Biden's gotten through whatever means" is of course very problematic as you have no idea how or who is providing that "info" and how accurate it is. 


Is the Biden info (is the claim that it is) inaccurate?

That is always weaker than, "yeah, I did it - get over it"

[kiidcarter8]

"I did NOT have relations with that woman"

"I did NOT know of my son's dealings in Ukraine."

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-impeachment-articles-marie-yovanovitch.html?fbclid=IwAR0JdVDfRMtAwy6bNKTdUr5T3dO4BodlM2R6N9dWa4wPS-1LsUYCvrDXxXE

Trump's removal of Yovanovitch is enough for impeachment, by itself.

What’s taking Nancy so long?

She is.letting Schiff do a good, thorough job so that if impeachment is necessary it is based upon a complete investigation, strong and unassailable evidence and the reasoned and fact based decision of House members. The country deserves no less.

Then it is past time to conduct the investigation the country deserves. Not with Adam Schiff  and his make-it-up-as -we-roll- along attitude.  This “process” of secrecy in trying to overturn the results of an election will not end well for the democrats. But I can see why they don’t want transparency. That did not work out for them trying to prove collusion and obstruction.

This "process of secrecy" (somehow so secret despite there being both Republicans and Democrats in the room at every deposition) is the same for every investigation conducted in Congress, from Benghazi to Clinton.  The insistence on saying otherwise is 100% an attempt to discredit a process that Republicans know is going to turn up impeachable offenses. 

They know this, of course, because it already has.

LOL
Witnesses  only called by Schiff, interviewed behind locked doors, a single printed transcript released only to Committee members and ONLY in the presence of a democrat staffer. With a vote to conduct an inquiry the official rules of the inquiry would be hammered out by both parties. Instead Adam Schiff just makes up his own rules. He can bar the press, the public, and anyone he  damn well pleases from any hearing including the counsel for the President.   
So when the Committee gets around to actually writing the Articles of Impeachment they will be nothing more than Adam Schiff’s version.
There is one obvious benefit, ugly as it is, the GOP Senate will dismiss the rigged process and acquit  on a voice vote. So much for Pelosi’s goal of a bipartisan process

[kiidcarter8]

kiidcarter8 is all up in arms about the unfairness of the Constitutional process being used to investigate Trump ....


Nah - not really

Is what it is.

I just asked if the RESIDUAL is what you are really after - the positive effect impeachment may have on the electoral vote.

[bankshot1]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-impeachment-articles-marie-yovanovitch.html?fbclid=IwAR0JdVDfRMtAwy6bNKTdUr5T3dO4BodlM2R6N9dWa4wPS-1LsUYCvrDXxXE

Trump's removal of Yovanovitch is enough for impeachment, by itself.

What’s taking Nancy so long?

She is.letting Schiff do a good, thorough job so that if impeachment is necessary it is based upon a complete investigation, strong and unassailable evidence and the reasoned and fact based decision of House members. The country deserves no less.

Then it is past time to conduct the investigation the country deserves. Not with Adam Schiff  and his make-it-up-as -we-roll- along attitude.  This “process” of secrecy in trying to overturn the results of an election will not end well for the democrats. But I can see why they don’t want transparency. That did not work out for them trying to prove collusion and obstruction.

What the fuck are you babbling about you partisan moron?

This is the process approved of and used by Republicans when they controlled the  House.

And Trey Gowdy endorsed the effiiciency, usefulness and non-partisan nature of the the closed to the public depositions taking process. 

And we all know that Ds and Rs both have equal time to ask questions of the witnesses.

but keep on spiining your partisan bullshit to support a corrupt White Supremicist Russian puppet who undermines America every day.
 

[kiidcarter8]

So glad we have his middle of the road unbiased voice on this forum.  Remember, he is totally open to voting for a Democrat in 2020 if he deems one worthy.



well said

[kiidcarter8]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-impeachment-articles-marie-yovanovitch.html?fbclid=IwAR0JdVDfRMtAwy6bNKTdUr5T3dO4BodlM2R6N9dWa4wPS-1LsUYCvrDXxXE

Trump's removal of Yovanovitch is enough for impeachment, by itself.

What’s taking Nancy so long?

She is.letting Schiff do a good, thorough job so that if impeachment is necessary it is based upon a complete investigation, strong and unassailable evidence and the reasoned and fact based decision of House members. The country deserves no less.

Then it is past time to conduct the investigation the country deserves. Not with Adam Schiff  and his make-it-up-as -we-roll- along attitude.  This “process” of secrecy in trying to overturn the results of an election will not end well for the democrats. But I can see why they don’t want transparency. That did not work out for them trying to prove collusion and obstruction.

What the fuck are you babbling about you partisan moron?

This is the process approved of and used by Republicans when they controlled the  House.

And Trey Gowdy endorsed the effiiciency, usefulness and non-partisan nature of the the closed to the public depositions taking process. 

And we all know that Ds and Rs both have equal time to ask questions of the witnesses.

but keep on spiining your partisan bullshit to support a corrupt White Supremicist Russian puppet who undermines America every day.

Bank says, "THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW"

- except when they don't

[Hairy Lime]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-impeachment-articles-marie-yovanovitch.html?fbclid=IwAR0JdVDfRMtAwy6bNKTdUr5T3dO4BodlM2R6N9dWa4wPS-1LsUYCvrDXxXE

Trump's removal of Yovanovitch is enough for impeachment, by itself.

What’s taking Nancy so long?

She is.letting Schiff do a good, thorough job so that if impeachment is necessary it is based upon a complete investigation, strong and unassailable evidence and the reasoned and fact based decision of House members. The country deserves no less.

Then it is past time to conduct the investigation the country deserves. Not with Adam Schiff  and his make-it-up-as -we-roll- along attitude.  This “process” of secrecy in trying to overturn the results of an election will not end well for the democrats. But I can see why they don’t want transparency. That did not work out for them trying to prove collusion and obstruction.

This "process of secrecy" (somehow so secret despite there being both Republicans and Democrats in the room at every deposition) is the same for every investigation conducted in Congress, from Benghazi to Clinton.  The insistence on saying otherwise is 100% an attempt to discredit a process that Republicans know is going to turn up impeachable offenses. 

They know this, of course, because it already has.

LOL
Witnesses  only called by Schiff, interviewed behind locked doors, a single printed transcript released only to Committee members and ONLY in the presence of a democrat staffer. With a vote to conduct an inquiry the official rules of the inquiry would be hammered out by both parties. Instead Adam Schiff just makes up his own rules. He can bar the press, the public, and anyone he  damn well pleases from any hearing including the counsel for the President.   
So when the Committee gets around to actually writing the Articles of Impeachment they will be nothing more than Adam Schiff’s version.
There is one obvious benefit, ugly as it is, the GOP Senate will dismiss the rigged process and acquit  on a voice vote. So much for Pelosi’s goal of a bipartisan process

In other words,.conducted in the same manner as the Republicans conducted the Clinton impeachment and Benghazi investigation. Got it.

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-impeachment-articles-marie-yovanovitch.html?fbclid=IwAR0JdVDfRMtAwy6bNKTdUr5T3dO4BodlM2R6N9dWa4wPS-1LsUYCvrDXxXE

Trump's removal of Yovanovitch is enough for impeachment, by itself.

What’s taking Nancy so long?

She is.letting Schiff do a good, thorough job so that if impeachment is necessary it is based upon a complete investigation, strong and unassailable evidence and the reasoned and fact based decision of House members. The country deserves no less.

Then it is past time to conduct the investigation the country deserves. Not with Adam Schiff  and his make-it-up-as -we-roll- along attitude.  This “process” of secrecy in trying to overturn the results of an election will not end well for the democrats. But I can see why they don’t want transparency. That did not work out for them trying to prove collusion and obstruction.

This "process of secrecy" (somehow so secret despite there being both Republicans and Democrats in the room at every deposition) is the same for every investigation conducted in Congress, from Benghazi to Clinton.  The insistence on saying otherwise is 100% an attempt to discredit a process that Republicans know is going to turn up impeachable offenses. 

They know this, of course, because it already has.

LOL
Witnesses  only called by Schiff, interviewed behind locked doors, a single printed transcript released only to Committee members and ONLY in the presence of a democrat staffer. With a vote to conduct an inquiry the official rules of the inquiry would be hammered out by both parties. Instead Adam Schiff just makes up his own rules. He can bar the press, the public, and anyone he  damn well pleases from any hearing including the counsel for the President.   
So when the Committee gets around to actually writing the Articles of Impeachment they will be nothing more than Adam Schiff’s version.
There is one obvious benefit, ugly as it is, the GOP Senate will dismiss the rigged process and acquit  on a voice vote. So much for Pelosi’s goal of a bipartisan process

In other words,.conducted in the same manner as the Republicans conducted the Clinton impeachment and Benghazi investigation. Got it.

LOL. 
Adam Schiff does have one successful trait developing in this farce.
Serving as a bad example.

[bankshot1]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-impeachment-articles-marie-yovanovitch.html?fbclid=IwAR0JdVDfRMtAwy6bNKTdUr5T3dO4BodlM2R6N9dWa4wPS-1LsUYCvrDXxXE

Trump's removal of Yovanovitch is enough for impeachment, by itself.

What’s taking Nancy so long?

She is.letting Schiff do a good, thorough job so that if impeachment is necessary it is based upon a complete investigation, strong and unassailable evidence and the reasoned and fact based decision of House members. The country deserves no less.

Then it is past time to conduct the investigation the country deserves. Not with Adam Schiff  and his make-it-up-as -we-roll- along attitude.  This “process” of secrecy in trying to overturn the results of an election will not end well for the democrats. But I can see why they don’t want transparency. That did not work out for them trying to prove collusion and obstruction.

What the fuck are you babbling about you partisan moron?

This is the process approved of and used by Republicans when they controlled the  House.

And Trey Gowdy endorsed the effiiciency, usefulness and non-partisan nature of the the closed to the public depositions taking process. 

And we all know that Ds and Rs both have equal time to ask questions of the witnesses.

but keep on spiining your partisan bullshit to support a corrupt White Supremicist Russian puppet who undermines America every day.

Bank says, "THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW"

- except when they don't

I've got no problem with the pulbic having relatively free access to the non-top secret stuff.

And the transcripts of the testimonies(scrubbed of TS stuff) will be made public.

IMO there is value to having sworn testimonies of several possibly conflicted winesses kept secret until the depostions/discoveryphase is more or less complete.

There may be areas where untruths and other matters of investigation open up, when the evidence is kept secret for awhile.

This bullshit spin that the Repubs can't ask questions just like the Dems is just a dishonest attack on a process endorsed by the Repubs.

[bankshot1]

So keep on attacking the Republican approved process and keep on ignoring the real substance of the high crimes and treason committed by and admitited to, by Trump.

[kiidcarter8]

In other words,.conducted in the same manner as the Republicans conducted the Clinton impeachment and Benghazi investigation. Got it.


Quite untrue that Gingrich acted in same manner as Schiff

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LOL
Witnesses  only called by Schiff, interviewed behind locked doors, a single printed transcript released only to Committee members and ONLY in the presence of a democrat staffer. With a vote to conduct an inquiry the official rules of the inquiry would be hammered out by both parties. Instead Adam Schiff just makes up his own rules. He can bar the press, the public, and anyone he  damn well pleases from any hearing including the counsel for the President.   
So when the Committee gets around to actually writing the Articles of Impeachment they will be nothing more than Adam Schiff’s version.
There is one obvious benefit, ugly as it is, the GOP Senate will dismiss the rigged process and acquit  on a voice vote. So much for Pelosi’s goal of a bipartisan process

Wow.  Reading this you wouldn't know that Republicans are in the room at every deposition and are able to ask as many questions and take as much time with the witnesses as they need.

And the hearings on which the articles of impeachment will be based are public.  Televised, I'd imagine.

In other words...

This "process of secrecy" (somehow so secret despite there being both Republicans and Democrats in the room at every deposition) is the same for every investigation conducted in Congress, from Benghazi to Clinton.  The insistence on saying otherwise is 100% an attempt to discredit a process that Republicans know is going to turn up impeachable offenses.