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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

Inquiry is legal.

GOP is fucked ten ways from Sunday

Ummm..

we are in the White House

So was Richard Nixon, until he wasn’t.

[kiidcarter8]

I think Warren is brilliant.
Smart, prepared, progressive, willing to take on Wall Street and corps for the benefit of average Americans.


Do you not shudder to think of Ms Warren dealing with foreign leaders?

[barton]

Welcome to the Severe Irony Impairment ward!

[josh]

She has given zero indication she is running


Eh....

Not so true, I'd say

Has she formed an exploratory committee? Raised money? Gone to the Iowa State Fair? She has done this twice on her own, and twice more with her husband. She knows what it takes to run.

Sure she does. Ownership of the DNC. That’s all she needs and what she has.
Once impeachment of Trump inevitably fails the dems are faced with a choice of socialist candidates who will be soundly rejected by general election voters. That leaves Hillary with Bernie heading to a Green Party Ticket .  Exit the democrat party as we know it and GOP rule for 2-3 more Presidential cycles.

Your wet dreams have no counterpart in objective reality.

LOL!
Hillary’s view is she is still the only alternative to a party takeover with a socialist agenda that America will never tolerate. I find it telling that neither you nor the other Trump haters on here can say anything in support of any of the announced candidates.

I find it telling that you cannot recognize when things have been said in support of some of the announced candidates.

It's as if you have selective vision, Ward. Plenty has been said.

Like what?

I find it telling that you cannot recognize when things have been said in support of some of the announced candidates.

It's as if you have selective vision, Ward. Plenty has been said.

#22448 and #22449 are the two most recent examples. They are hardly alone. That you cannot be bothered to look for any is unsurprising.

ROFL!

Thank you for picking up all the dust.

And I gather that means you still can't read.

LOL.  22448-49 make your point.

That you can't read?

Okay.

[facilitatorn]

She has given zero indication she is running


Eh....

Not so true, I'd say

Has she formed an exploratory committee? Raised money? Gone to the Iowa State Fair? She has done this twice on her own, and twice more with her husband. She knows what it takes to run.

Sure she does. Ownership of the DNC. That’s all she needs and what she has.
Once impeachment of Trump inevitably fails the dems are faced with a choice of socialist candidates who will be soundly rejected by general election voters. That leaves Hillary with Bernie heading to a Green Party Ticket .  Exit the democrat party as we know it and GOP rule for 2-3 more Presidential cycles.

Your wet dreams have no counterpart in objective reality.

LOL!
Hillary’s view is she is still the only alternative to a party takeover with a socialist agenda that America will never tolerate. I find it telling that neither you nor the other Trump haters on here can say anything in support of any of the announced candidates.

While Hillary is in your head, you are not in hers. What you think her view is is worthless. No matter what gives you a hard on to imagine.

Hillary is a problem for the democrat party.
As a Presidential candidate she is a two time loser.
But none of those now in the race offer much hope in a center- right country with an economy going strong.

Awwww. 

Red misses his mommy.

She doesn’t love you.

No one loves you.

You are a total dick head.

[facilitatorn]

I think Warren is brilliant.
Smart, prepared, progressive, willing to take on Wall Street and corps for the benefit of average Americans.


Do you not shudder to think of Ms Warren dealing with foreign leaders?

She won’t be blowing dictators the way the current occupant of the White House does. She also won’t take it up the ass from Putin like this guy does. Why does that make you shudder?

[bodiddley]

I haven't really looked into Warren's foreign policy.
I assume she'll choose a professional and competent team, shore up alliances that have been frayed during the Trump Admin, not act erratically, rejoin international agreements (on climate, Iran, etc),  and avoid warmongering. 

If it's sort of a stable bland Obama-ish policy that'd be fine and a great improvement.  Hillary was always too hawkish for my taste.  I think Warren would be wary of foreign interventions a la Obama.  Trump is wary of foreign wars but had Bolton and other Iran warmongers on board, and has really pushed Iran into a corner where its felt compelled to lash out.  Trump also has allowed the Saudis free reign to kill and maim poor Yemenis.  And the Syria debacle in which we greenlighted war crimes and endangered a good ally, and had to scurry out in the face of Turkish shelling and Kurdish curses.  Pressuring the Sauds to stop their illegal, nasty war in Yemen would be a great start.  Reining in Israel's rightwingers would be a good second effort.

I expect Warren would have a tough policy towards China -- hopefully including human rights -- without all the lurching erraticism that Trump has deployed.  I expect Warren would be a supporter of Ukraine and a detractor of Russia.

Trump has really set the bar low and made a mess of so many situations, that it won't be hard to look like a foreign policy guru after him. 

This election and especially for Warren is about domestic policies and getting the US back on its feet.  And getting gov't back to running professionally and competently and for the benefit of the many not just the elite.

Certainly I'd trust Warren to run foreign policy more than Trump and Bolton and a bunch of rotating generals and Trumps crazed personal attorney.

But yeah, I'll look into Warren's foreign policy when I have time.

[bodiddley]

Here's a softball question or two:

What has Trump done well with foreign policy?
Any countries or situations he has improved?

I'd genuinely be interested in an answer.
As I couldn't think of anything.

I guess Righties can support the love embrace with Bibi's Israel, the hardball attack on Iran's economy and trying to get better trade terms with China.

I think the first tow are misguided and will have blowback.
I do partly support the latter policy, though the erratic way Trump has gone about it has been a mess.  Dems need to keep track of the hundreds of billions that are going to American farmers to compensate them for Trump trashing their best export market.

Really not enough attention has been paid to Trumponomics, and the massive tax cuts for corps and the wealthy that had a brief effect on the economy and petered out, leaving a huge  unnecessary deficit.  But the farmer assistance and China policy has been a debacle that needs addressing.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Welcome to the Severe Irony Impairment ward!

Lol!  I laughed out loud at the post you are responding to also. The lack of self awareness is truly astonishing.

Also laughable that REDSTATEWARD is crowing about how unelectable the “leftist” candidates are when his party is running a corrupt far right white supremacist whose positions on immigration, taxes, health care, foreign policy, the environment, are all out of the mainstream.   

I wouldn’t even call the fact that he is an incumbent an advantage since all that means is that we have all seen how bad he is at his job.

He has an economy that has survived his idiotic trade policy. So far. And he has his buddy Putin. May even have a third party candidate. So those who have been enjoying the caged kids, the open racism, self-dealing, and the coming resurgence of ISIS in Syria can still have hope.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Here's a softball question or two:

What has Trump done well with foreign policy?

Any countries or situations he has improved?

(and I wouldn't give Trump credit for defeating ISIS, as that op was already up and running and nearing completion due to Obama's policies there).

Trumpists like that Trump has aligned the US with anti-democratic strongmen around the world.

Why?  Charitably I think it’s the optics. They think that makes us look strong too. Who needs those Frenchies, right?

Uncharitably, an open democracy with a strong independent and credible press isn’t doing the GOP any favors here. And some of these guys, like Putin, have views on the white race’s position in the world that they agree with.

[Hairy Lime]

I haven't really looked into Warren's foreign policy.
I assume she'll choose a professional and competent team, shore up alliances that have been frayed during the Trump Admin, not act erratically, rejoin international agreements (on climate, Iran, etc),  and avoid warmongering. 

If it's sort of a stable bland Obama-ish policy that'd be fine and a great improvement.  Hillary was always too hawkish for my taste.  I think Warren would be wary of foreign interventions a la Obama.  Trump is wary of foreign wars but had Bolton and other Iran warmongers on board, and has really pushed Iran into a corner where its felt compelled to lash out.  Trump also has allowed the Saudis free reign to kill and maim poor Yemenis.  And the Syria debacle in which we greenlighted war crimes and endangered a good ally, and had to scurry out in the face of Turkish shelling and Kurdish curses.  Pressuring the Sauds to stop their illegal, nasty war in Yemen would be a great start.  Reining in Israel's rightwingers would be a good second effort.

I expect Warren would have a tough policy towards China -- hopefully including human rights -- without all the lurching erraticism that Trump has deployed.  I expect Warren would be a supporter of Ukraine and a detractor of Russia.

Trump has really set the bar low and made a mess of so many situations, that it won't be hard to look like a foreign policy guru after him. 

This election and especially for Warren is about domestic policies and getting the US back on its feet.  And getting gov't back to running professionally and competently and for the benefit of the many not just the elite.

Certainly I'd trust Warren to run foreign policy more than Trump and Bolton and a bunch of rotating generals and Trumps crazed personal attorney.

But yeah, I'll look into Warren's foreign policy when I have time.

Understamd kiid's shuddering about Warren and foreign relations has more to do with her having tits and no testicles than actual policy positions she has taken.

[oilcan]

Understood that in about two milliseconds.  I would speculate that KC knows nothing of Warren's foreign policy, because that involves reading more than 288 characters. 

Personally, I like the idea of a world where Angela Merkel and Elizabeth Warren can go at it in a NATO leaders mud wrestling competition.  Boris can watch.   

[barton]

When I learned that Rudy Giuliani's butt was a leaker, I was both surprised and relieved that didn't mean what I thought it might mean. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

Remember when Republicans falsely claimed Obama was picking winners and losers? Just another Tuesday for Trump:


Writing about how Mattis always tried to translate the president's demands into ethical, well-meaning outcomes, Snodgrass reveals that Trump called Mattis in the summer of 2018 and directed him to "screw Amazon" out of a chance to bid on a $10 billion cloud networking contract.

Trump has long held a grudge against Amazon and its CEO Jeff Bezos, who also owns The Washington Post. He's accused Amazon of scamming the Postal Service (it's not), and has railed against The Post as a "lobbying tool for Amazon," often after the paper reports on news unfavorable to the president.

Snodgrass writes: "Relaying the story to us during Small Group, Mattis said, 'We're not going to do that. This will be done by the book, both legally and ethically."

https://taskandpurpose.com/snodgrass-mattis-book-2641090054.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

and of course we know that post-Mattis Trump succeeded. This is illegal and another impeachable offense.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Oh and hey look, more Trump Administration corruption:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/business/michael-milken-trump-opportunity-zones.html


The former “junk bond king” has investments in at least two major real estate projects inside federally designated opportunity zones in Nevada, near Mr. Milken’s Lake Tahoe vacation home, according to public records reviewed by The New York Times.

One of those developments, inside an industrial park, is a nearly 700-acre site in which Mr. Milken is a major investor. Last year, after pressure from Mr. Milken’s business partner and other landowners, the Treasury Department ignored its own guidelines on how to select opportunity zones and made the area eligible for the tax break, according to people involved in the discussions and records reviewed by The Times.

The unusual decision was made at the personal instruction of Mr. Mnuchin, according to internal Treasury Department emails. It came shortly after he had spent time with Mr. Milken at an event his institute hosted.
“People were troubled,” said Annie Donovan, who previously ran the Treasury office in charge of designating areas as opportunity zones. She and two of her former colleagues said they were upset that the Treasury secretary was intervening to bend rules, though they said they didn’t realize at the time that Mr. Mnuchin’s friend stood to profit. The agency’s employees, Ms. Donovan said, “were put in a position where they had to compromise the integrity of the process.”