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The Trump trial in the Senate:

should allow witnesses and new evidence
- 3 (75%)
should allow witnesses, but no new evidence
- 0 (0%)
should not allow witnesses, but should allow new evidence
- 0 (0%)
should not allow either witnesses or new evidence
- 0 (0%)
should allow new witnesses and new evidence, but only if the GOP gets to call one or both Bidens
- 1 (25%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: January 26, 2020, 12:25:44 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23490 on: November 14, 2019, 07:46:28 PM »

Ok. So you don’t like his opinions.
But he is an expert on National Security Expert by any definition.

He is neither an expert on national security experts, nor a national security expert, by any definition.

John Yoo is a lawyer who worked in the Department of Justice under W.  His seminal work in that role, the torture memo which refuted our obligations to the Geneva Conventions, was panned by actual national security experts for the very real damage it did to our national security interests.

And it could be added (because I've just looked it up) that those torture memos were repudiated by the OLC after they were less than a few years old, and are no longer used as guidance.  A 2009 report by the Office for Professional Responsibility re: his approval of waterboarding techniques accused Yoo of committing "intentional professional misconduct" and recommended he be disbarred.
LOL  Those “ torture memos” according to NEEDS are the only criteria permissible to judge John Yoo’s credibility as a National Security Expert.

Those are evidence of his lack of expertise.

You've cited nothing to suggest he has any.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23491 on: November 14, 2019, 07:50:10 PM »

Ok. So you don’t like his opinions.
But he is an expert on National Security Expert by any definition.

He is neither an expert on national security experts, nor a national security expert, by any definition.

John Yoo is a lawyer who worked in the Department of Justice under W.  His seminal work in that role, the torture memo which refuted our obligations to the Geneva Conventions, was panned by actual national security experts for the very real damage it did to our national security interests.

And it could be added (because I've just looked it up) that those torture memos were repudiated by the OLC after they were less than a few years old, and are no longer used as guidance.  A 2009 report by the Office for Professional Responsibility re: his approval of waterboarding techniques accused Yoo of committing "intentional professional misconduct" and recommended he be disbarred.
LOL  Those “ torture memos” according to NEEDS are the only criteria permissible to judge John Yoo’s credibility as a National Security Expert.
Do you actually read anybody else's posts?  Or do you just do Cliffs Notes?  Which for a self-styled educator would be kind of lazy.
Well I read yours and Needs. I feel I can’t let naiveness  go unchallenged.

But corruption, racism, genocide, and betrayal of country are okay by you, as you have demonstrated repeatedly.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23492 on: November 14, 2019, 07:51:00 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rzhevsky_Versus_Napoleon

Comedy film which stars Volodymyr Zelensky, as Napoleon.   

Trailer with English captions....

https://youtu.be/EKuyQikTvWQ

« Last Edit: November 14, 2019, 08:20:38 PM by barton »
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23493 on: November 14, 2019, 07:53:21 PM »

Red’s a little drunk, so he can’t follow arguments or things like that. He comes here because it’s one of the places he can get occasionally get unfiltered fox, straight from Australia.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23494 on: November 14, 2019, 08:42:33 PM »

http://mobile.twitter.com/RylandKY/status/1195059420843139072

Bye bye, Bevin!

Reality asserts it’s noted liberal bias.

Heh

Son of former governor wins by a cunt hair.
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« Reply #23496 on: November 14, 2019, 09:53:38 PM »

Given the Trump/Sondland call was done on private cellphones (thus violating the presidential records act), I would guess there are two options for investigators....a

Get a warrant to seize Trump's cellphone, which if it's like most cellphones, at least logs all incoming calls, showing the number from which it originated. 

Ask Russian intelligence if they would give us a copy of the recording they likely made in Kyiv.

Since these options have zero probability of working, I guess it's worth asking if some US branch of the intelligence services might have somehow made a record of the call.

But then, all Trump's paranoia and Deep State rant would be gloriously validated.   

Is there some legal loophole for US intelligence?

Seize Trump's cellphone - heh - that's a good one.

Hillary says "GET THE HAMMER!"


That would be Oliver Babish...
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23497 on: November 14, 2019, 09:59:47 PM »

The BIG hammer.

Heh - cool.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23498 on: November 14, 2019, 10:04:59 PM »

The Party of Stupid (and of misunderstanding what religion is about, too) strikes again.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-house-passes-bill-allowing-student-answers-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion?fbclid=IwAR1-tm0-123OhR_e0zIo-eI59tT_x0aqZZWdimhhsQSLQwj9gBemYBdrcAY

Every member of the GOP in the Ohio House supported this bizarre and absurd bill. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. I fear for their children's future.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23499 on: November 14, 2019, 10:32:13 PM »

The Party of Stupid (and of misunderstanding what religion is about, too) strikes again.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-house-passes-bill-allowing-student-answers-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion?fbclid=IwAR1-tm0-123OhR_e0zIo-eI59tT_x0aqZZWdimhhsQSLQwj9gBemYBdrcAY

Every member of the GOP in the Ohio House supported this bizarre and absurd bill. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. I fear for their children's future.
Why?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23500 on: November 15, 2019, 12:20:36 AM »

The Party of Stupid (and of misunderstanding what religion is about, too) strikes again.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-house-passes-bill-allowing-student-answers-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion?fbclid=IwAR1-tm0-123OhR_e0zIo-eI59tT_x0aqZZWdimhhsQSLQwj9gBemYBdrcAY

Every member of the GOP in the Ohio House supported this bizarre and absurd bill. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. I fear for their children's future.
Why?

To permit giving bogus answers in order to allow people to give answers that are acceptable to the religious leaders - "religious freedom" is the excuse. It is modeled on a law from Mississippi in 2013 and that one is stupid, too.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23501 on: November 15, 2019, 12:36:09 AM »

The Party of Stupid (and of misunderstanding what religion is about, too) strikes again.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-house-passes-bill-allowing-student-answers-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion?fbclid=IwAR1-tm0-123OhR_e0zIo-eI59tT_x0aqZZWdimhhsQSLQwj9gBemYBdrcAY

Every member of the GOP in the Ohio House supported this bizarre and absurd bill. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. I fear for their children's future.
Why?

To permit giving bogus answers in order to allow people to give answers that are acceptable to the religious leaders - "religious freedom" is the excuse. It is modeled on a law from Mississippi in 2013 and that one is stupid, too.
Bogus answers?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #23502 on: November 15, 2019, 02:17:34 AM »

Red’s village voted the Earth was flat. Nothing bogus about that, the Earth being flat. As if one could go round without falling off, imagine that!
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« Reply #23503 on: November 15, 2019, 02:21:35 AM »

The Party of Stupid (and of misunderstanding what religion is about, too) strikes again.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-house-passes-bill-allowing-student-answers-to-be-scientifically-wrong-due-to-religion?fbclid=IwAR1-tm0-123OhR_e0zIo-eI59tT_x0aqZZWdimhhsQSLQwj9gBemYBdrcAY

Every member of the GOP in the Ohio House supported this bizarre and absurd bill. The Senate is controlled by the GOP. I fear for their children's future.
Why?

To permit giving bogus answers in order to allow people to give answers that are acceptable to the religious leaders - "religious freedom" is the excuse. It is modeled on a law from Mississippi in 2013 and that one is stupid, too.
Bogus answers?

Is the Earth flat? Yes. (Okay, under this law.)
Did dinosaurs coexist with humans? Yes. (Okay, under this law.)

Are you  really that dense?
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