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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[NeedsAdjustments]

Sure, Trump has funded Ukraine now, after he first withheld them and did everything he could to use the funds provided by bipartisan agreement in Congress for his personal political ends.


It was budgeted.  Trump's budget.

It was in the 2019 Federal Budget.  I have no idea if it was listed in the WH budget priorities for FY 2019, but I doubt it. 

If the implication is that Trump was the originator of that line item, you are incorrect.  Congress has been voting for Ukraine military aid since the invasion of Crimea in 2014.

And again there is the no small matter that his principle interest in that line item was as a means to extort a foreign power to deliver to him election assistance.

[oilcan]

I doubt that Trump knew much about the Ukraine assistance process or pushed for any support for Ukraine or specific line items.  Hitchen's Razor applies to a lot of Kid's posts. 

Bolt, Pompous, and Mulva do need to be called in the Senate.  I don't think even a conservative like Roberts would find any real grounds for immunity. 

Bo, I think Ukraine has a climate similar to South Dakota.  I would think they'd fight year-round, if so.  And any weather that could stall conflict would stall it on both sides. 

[barton]

What dish do you serve a politician who is afraid of what Ukrainian officials might say?

"Chicken of Kiev."

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I doubt that Trump knew much about the Ukraine assistance process or pushed for any support for Ukraine or specific line items.  Hitchen's Razor applies to a lot of Kid's posts. 

Trump has clearly made cordial relations and a capitulation to Russian priorities a feature of his foreign policy.  Whatever light you cast that in, it’s there.  And to that end a public declaration that arming Ukraine against the Russians and their proxy fighters in the region would obviously go against that.  So he has never said any such thing, in public statements or in a WH budget priority document.

Trump always wants to have it both ways with Russia.  He comes in trying to lift sanctions and get the G8 back together, then tries to take credit for the increase in Russian sanctions he signed kicking and screaming.

Same with Ukraine.  He held up the aid because he doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine and so, as Sondland said is the logic any businessman would follow, he wasn’t going to give them something for nothing when they had something he wants.   Now Republicans (and their dumbass followers) want to give him credit for higher levels of military aid than there was under Obama!

And Nunes yesterday pointing to Bipartisan reports on Russian interference as though Republicans authored them themselves in order to say of course Republicans acknowledge Russian interference in 2016.  But then they give credence to CrowdStrike, which is a conspiracy theory that literally absolves Russia of the 2016 hacking by claiming they were framed by Ukraine and the DNC.

Liars and dissemblers.  Every one of them.

[facilitatorn]

Javelins for Ukraine got into the budget while trump and the republicans were under investigation for doing Putin favors like weakening Ukraine while Russia was in the (still ongoing) process of invading it. Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell were under fire every time trump did something groundbreaking for a U.S. president like invite two Russian officials into the Oval Office to give them tastes of our best secrets. They had allowed lethal aid to be taken out of the RNC platform and benefited mightily from Russian interference on their behalf. Like their pea brained leader’s attempt to cover his ass on September 9th with the “I just want him to do the right thing” call, the inclusion of lethal aid for Ukraine was put in the 2019 budget as an attempt at a fig leaf to cover up how treasonous republican corruption had truly gotten.

Military aid to Ukraine was fucked with one day after Mueller left the building and all those complicit republican sphincters could relax and the scumbags could get back to serious crime. We now have more than ample evidence that that is exactly what they did. They got back to high criming right away using just that aid that they didn’t want to give anyway and turned the help into a new front in Russia’s war, the trump special of political destabilization in the form of a shakedown.

This whole episode is just another brick in trump tower Moscow.

[facilitatorn]

How Red, Kiid, and others were trained to play fetch,

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1901261

[kidcarter8]

Impeachment having no negative effect on Trump numbers in swing states

[bodiddley]

Didn't you hear?
Impeachment is good for Trump and bad for the Dems.
Remember that ...

[kiidcarter8]

Impeachment is good bad for Trump the nation and bad for the Dems.

Fixed

[kiidcarter8]

I still think desperate Dems are right to take their shot.  If a further bombshell - come out, all you blowers - were to arise - Dems already in motion.

Good luck finding something that will turn the electorate.

Q:  Which states are you most hopeful of turning?

[facilitatorn]

I still think desperate Dems are right to take their shot.  If a further bombshell - come out, all you blowers - were to arise - Dems already in motion.

Good luck finding something that will turn the electorate.

Q:  Which states are you most hopeful of turning?

It’s quite a thing these tricks you can do. Whoever trained you is really impressive. The haircut they gave you makes you look ridiculous, but you jump, yap, and spin in circles with the best of them.

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Impeachment having no negative effect on Trump numbers in swing states

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/470286-plurality-in-battleground-states-support-trumps-impeachment-poll

I guess you could say his numbers were already bad, so impeachment having no further effect on Trump numbers. 

[NeedsAdjustments]

Such bullshit:

The early accounts of the report suggest that it is likely to stoke the debate over the investigation without definitively resolving it, by offering both sides different conclusions they can point to as vindication for their rival worldviews.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/us/politics/russia-investigation-inspector-general-report.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

The investigation found that the FBI's investigation of Trump Campaign ties to Russian efforts to sabotage our election were well-founded, the surveillance of Carter Page justified and above-board, and that conspiracy theories about the actions of certain FBI officials that Republicans circulated for years were false.

But, you know, both sides...

[NeedsAdjustments]

And can someone explain to me why after the incredibly important and far-reaching Mueller Report came out we got one deceptive summary from the AG and had to wait months to hear directly from Mueller, while the author of this bullshit will be testifying in front of Congress two days after its release?

[LarryBnDC]

Nominee for hypocrite of the moment:

John Bolton