Escape from Elba

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Poll

The Trump trial in the Senate:

should allow witnesses and new evidence
- 3 (100%)
should allow witnesses, but no new evidence
- 0 (0%)
should not allow witnesses, but should allow new evidence
- 0 (0%)
should not allow either witnesses or new evidence
- 0 (0%)
should allow new witnesses and new evidence, but only if the GOP gets to call one or both Bidens
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closes: January 26, 2020, 12:25:44 PM


Pages: 1 ... 1614 1615 [1616] 1617 1618 ... 1780

Author Topic: Trump Administration  (Read 244378 times)

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2167
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24225 on: December 02, 2019, 09:08:39 AM »

We already know Fiction is your favorite form of Literature.
I think it is most people's.

Lol.  REDSTATEWARD obviously a reader.
Logged
* Impeached.

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2167
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24226 on: December 02, 2019, 09:19:36 AM »

Hers the situation.

There is a Democratic Party and a Cult of Personality:

Fifty-three percent of Republicans said Trump was a better president than Lincoln, while 47 percent chose the Civil War-era leader.


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/472460-poll-majority-of-republicans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln

Trump's farmer bailout now costing taxpayers 2 times the Auto Bailout in 2008-9.

One was a bipartisan effort that was clearly necessary to prevent larger economic collapse and that was successfully designed to allow the government to recoup a large part of what it handed out.  Still, Republicans tried for eight years to present that bailout as an albatross that was representative of King Obama's profligate spending and his picking and choosing winners.

The other is a pure political giveaway that was (and continues to be) an effort made necessary by stupid and destructive tariffs that serve no clear benefit to the US.

And yet strangely, Republicans fully support it.

Farmer bailout is everything Republicans claimed the Auto bailout was, but actually wasn't.  Yet the later (supposedly) helped inspire an entire political movement amongst Conservatives, while the farmers get bored shrugs at best, while the 'president" continues to do long term damage to the industry.

Republicans are a cult of personality now, but can also be said to be a cult of Party.  There are zero principles here, beyond "Scoreboard!"
Logged
* Impeached.

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2167
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24227 on: December 02, 2019, 09:34:36 AM »

The only thing that stops a bad man with a knife.is a good man with a narwhal tusk.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/30/narwhal-tusk-and-fire-extinguisher-used-to-tackle-london-bridge-attacker

Conservatives like kiidcarter8 like to point to knife attacks as evidence of the pointlessness of gun legislation.  Can't say I understand the shifting logics that justify that connection, but can say for sure that an attacker with an AR-15 and 50 round magazines would not have been subdued by three guys armed only with fire extinguishers and a protruding canine tooth.

Which isn't to belittle what they did.  They guy had already killed two people and was wearing what looked like an explosive vest.  True bravery on display.

Logged
* Impeached.

barton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2060
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24228 on: December 02, 2019, 09:42:13 AM »

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/01/politics/white-house-not-participating-judiciary-hearing-impeachment/index.html

The prez wants to testify. He wants to be heard. He wants his staff to testify.

But no.

Capt. Renault time again:  I am shocked, sir.
Logged
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. "

bodiddley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2197
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24229 on: December 02, 2019, 09:49:33 AM »

The Right is much much better at organizing outrage.
The main reason Obama won battleground Ohio in '12 was the auto bailout.  People appreciated that he saved jobs despite serious opposition (with Romney on record praising bankruptcy).
The auto bailout also shored up O support in Michigan and PA and nearby states involved in auto parts and raw materials.

Didn't the federal gov't not only save the auto industry but also make a profit doing so?  The Dems never get the message out.
O and Hillary should have been touting that endlessly. 

Ohio is always close, but there were clear signs for years that WI was in the balance, and PA is never sure thing.  Clinton just needed to shore up the Midwest base to win.  More money, rallies, attention there and she would have won.  Lost by very narrow margins in a few states. 

Maybe the auto bailout boost O got obscured for Clinton and the Dems the real weakness the Midwest represented.  .
Logged

bodiddley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2197
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24230 on: December 02, 2019, 09:53:42 AM »

Trump's tariff wars and the resulting farm bailout is a ridiculous boondoggle no one seems to talk much about.  I also wonder how much of that money is going to Monsanto and other agribusiness that doesn't need it.  The GOP is always good at funneling money to their donors/supports (military contractors, farmers, the wealthy, Big Business, etc).

You know what the GOP would do if the vast farm states were voting against them all the time?  They'd demonize farm subsidies as corporate welfare and gov't waste; pulling out examples of fraud and big DEM donor corporate farmers getting huge subsidies and decry the whole thing endlessly.  Just as they successfully went after unions, and now go after immigrants, since they are DEM voters.
Logged

barton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2060
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24231 on: December 02, 2019, 09:56:27 AM »

Democrats lost

Wolf gets to serve

Get the fuck over it.

Did you read the link?   

Quote
  Chad Wolf was not confirmed to lead the Department of Homeland Security. He couldn't be — even a Senate as polarized as this one would have rejected him. Instead, they confirmed him for a lesser role, the undersecretary of the agency's Office of Strategy, Policy, and Plans, clearing the way for Trump to then declare him the acting secretary of the entire department to fill a leadership vacancy. 

This is a ploy that harms the democratic system of congressional oversight and balance of powers.  It moves us closer, every time DT does this, towards autocracy.

2024:  the US is now a totalitarian police state, run by oligarchs.  "Get the fuck over it." says political pundit Kid Cartarrh.
Logged
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. "

barton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2060
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24232 on: December 02, 2019, 10:03:46 AM »

Trump's tariff wars and the resulting farm bailout is a ridiculous boondoggle no one seems to talk much about. 

It's being chatted about in South Dakota, believe me.   The cognitive dissonance is getting intense in communities especially hard hit by the double whammy of the Spring flooding and the loss of agri sales to China.  The Argus Leader has been reporting farmer suicides.   Trump is a child who doesn't understand how playing his little games lead to death and destruction.   
Logged
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes. "

kiidcarter8

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6436
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24233 on: December 02, 2019, 10:08:43 AM »

Like I said - you don't like her, but you cannot contradict what she said.


Dont be absurd

Like her?  Til this hit piece I didnt know her.  It's not personal.  Anti-Trumping, anti-Trump appointments clearly is.
Logged
Trump has "set a standard" for presidents "that most mortals won't be able to meet. He out-works them, he out-thinks, he is remarkably resourceful, he's bright, his judgment is second to none."

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2167
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24234 on: December 02, 2019, 10:32:41 AM »

Trump's tariff wars and the resulting farm bailout is a ridiculous boondoggle no one seems to talk much about.  I also wonder how much of that money is going to Monsanto and other agribusiness that doesn't need it.  The GOP is always good at funneling money to their donors/supports (military contractors, farmers, the wealthy, Big Business, etc).

You know what the GOP would do if the vast farm states were voting against them all the time?  They'd demonize farm subsidies as corporate welfare and gov't waste; pulling out examples of fraud and big DEM donor corporate farmers getting huge subsidies and decry the whole thing endlessly.  Just as they successfully went after unions, and now go after immigrants, since they are DEM voters.

Not surprisingly yes, much of the bailout is going to big farma:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-21/trump-pledged-to-help-small-farms-but-aid-is-going-to-big-ones

GOP has not trouble with "picking winners and losers" when its politically convenient.

And by the way, I was wrong on the Auto Bailout vs. The Farm Bailout.  Auto Bailout really cost a bit more than $10 Billion (yes, money to GM turned a profit) so bailout to Farmers is actually almost three times more.

And bound to grow.

Logged
* Impeached.

NeedsAdjustments

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2167
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24235 on: December 02, 2019, 10:37:35 AM »

Like I said - you don't like her, but you cannot contradict what she said.


Dont be absurd

Like her?  Til this hit piece I didnt know her.  It's not personal.  Anti-Trumping, anti-Trump appointments clearly is.

I guess the advantage to supporting someone who is so odious on a personal level is that you can dismiss any substantive criticism (like say the erosion of Constitutionally mandated checks and balances) as a beef about style.  Even after the substance of that criticism has repeatedly been pointed out.

But the idiot who takes advantage of that tactic must also be blissfully unaware that deploying it says nothing about the man he is defending, and everything about how blind ignorant and just stupid support of the "president" is.
Logged
* Impeached.

facilitatorn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3360
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24236 on: December 02, 2019, 01:43:12 PM »

Kiid and Red will deny having ever supported trump. Give it time.

For all you missing infrastructure weeks where someone actually discussed or did something about infrastructure,

http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/12/2/20983341/climate-change-california-batteries-emissions-watttime

Logged
“Fredo’s casino did not go bankrupt.” -S.C.

LarryBnDC

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2418
    • View Profile
    • The Shinbone Star
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24237 on: December 02, 2019, 02:34:04 PM »

Just think, if it hadn’t been for liberals Clarence Thomas might have amounted to something.
Logged
“To be led by a fool is to be lead by the opportunists who control the fool." - Octavia Butler

josh

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5974
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24238 on: December 02, 2019, 02:47:42 PM »

Like I said - you don't like her, but you cannot contradict what she said.


Dont be absurd

Like her?  Til this hit piece I didnt know her.  It's not personal.  Anti-Trumping, anti-Trump appointments clearly is.

It is both personal and political and practical.

The man was not qualified for the job he is now filling, which is why he could not be approved for it.

You still have nothing to counter that.

My objection and hers to his being in that position is personal: he is personally not qualified. He is politically not qualified. And he is professionally not qualified.

Trump? Trump is cheating to have his unvetted acting directors in an illegal way, with Moscow Mitch's cooperation.
Logged
The day Richard Nixon failed to answer that subpoena is the day he was subject to impeachment because he took the power from Congress over the impeachment process away from Congress, and he became the judge and jury." ~Lindsey Graham

bodiddley

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2197
    • View Profile
Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24239 on: December 02, 2019, 02:53:11 PM »

Why don't the Dems come out with a farm plan that benefits family farmers and small farm businesses and cuts off agribusiness from gov't subsidies? 

Come out with policies that benefit farmers and help rural areas.
Trump has certainly provided an opening.
And stop helping Big Agribusiness which supports the GOP.
Divide and conquer.  Get the little people on your side.
Companies donate cash but don't vote.
Weaken the corporations, strengthen the farmers.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 1614 1615 [1616] 1617 1618 ... 1780