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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24555 on: December 05, 2019, 02:02:40 PM »

So every country in the world understands and believes in climate change.  Almost every credible scientist is convinced as well.
LOL! That’s a good one.

Hello.  The debate ended some time ago.  Sea levels started to rise, glaciers receded, Antarctic ice sheet shrank, Greenland ditto, Northwest Passage opening up, Alaska pack ice vanished in summer, ocean pH rose, coral reefs bleached and died, inland temps rose 1.5 to 2 degrees F. with a 1.0 F. rise overall, severity of tropical cyclones rising, permafrost melting, etc.  It's happening now, you incredible fucking imbecile.  There's no more "let's see if these climate models are actually correct...." because even models going back to Svante Arrhenius around 1900, projecting rapid global warming, have proven roughly correct.  The only debate is how fast, and what positive feedback loops ("tipping points" in popular parlance) will kick in.  You IFI.  Take your pseudoscience conspiracy theories and stick them up your ass.
Gee.  And here we are in 2019, largest world population ever, the poverty rate at its lowest point ever, globalization, abundance of food, while all the while adapting to changing environments.
But carry on Chicken Little.  The rest of us will do just fine. We always do.

Except those who've already lost homes or lives to it or will in the future.

Ostrich.

Typical REDSTATEWARD.  He LOL!s a comment.  Then when challenged his response has nothing to do with that original comment, but itself contains a whole new set of falsehoods to address.  While the original falsehood drops by the wayside.

This is how he tricks himself into thinking he is actually contributing to a debate.
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« Reply #24556 on: December 05, 2019, 02:03:11 PM »

So then why post here?  You've got your good life, you've got your tax cut.  Why bother with all the chicken littles?

Red needs to be carjacked by a hungry family so he can have his come to Jesus moment.

The closing of mental health facilities was a big factor in homelessness, but the housing crash, the opioid epidemic, and the fact that more than half the jobs in the country keep their workers poor and housing insecure through low pay are taking the problem to a much larger scale.

It’s one of the key factors in why we must extinguish the republican party.

Fortunately, Putin gave them a leader who is driving them straight to their doom.

http://www.dcreport.org/2019/12/05/congress-takes-a-law-school-class-in-the-capitol/
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« Reply #24557 on: December 05, 2019, 02:04:19 PM »

As one whose Student Loan debt exceeds the Gross National Product of many nations, I would happily accept loan forgiveness.  At the same time, I don't think it's the world's greatest idea.

It’s the price tag that is scary, maybe, but the idea of fully subsidizing student loans up to a certain amount for poor and middle class people is not outlandish, is it?  Tax code currently has programs that hand out money to the working poor to encourage people to get jobs.  Why can’t we hand out money to the educated poor to encourage people to get educated?

And as LarryBnDC said, the economic stimulus would be Yuuuge!  Way Yuuuuger than the 2 Trillion we just spent on corporate tax cuts.

More sneakers and I phones for all

Yes.

And more new cars purchases.

More first time home buyers.

More babies.

All things that would boost the economy.

You know all the brothers are only gonna spend more money on Jordan’s, IPhnes and 40s...

Republican politics stopped evolving in the 80's.
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« Reply #24558 on: December 05, 2019, 02:06:46 PM »


• The Earth is heated by the flux of energy it receives from the Sun, and cools down by emitting infrared radiation to space.

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Simple really, no degree from Harvard needed for this one either.

Sunlight heats ground.   Heat, longwave radiation, then radiates back to space.  A pure nitrogen and oxygen atmosphere would let all that IR radiation pass through.  Some molecules, however, like nitrogen oxide, methane, and CO2, absorb longwave photons and increase their rate of vibration.   This increase in kinetic energy is called "heat"  -- those molecules are thus retaining energy that would otherwise escape into space.  As these molecules are singularly good at trapping heat, they cause a rise in near-surface temperatures when their concentrations go up.   Basic physics and chemistry.  High school students do basic experiments, like Tyndall's 1859 experiment that easily demonstrate this effect.   

The last 150 years of science have advanced our knowledge of how this works, as well as proved other principles on which you daily assert your unquestioning faith when you step aboard a jet, take a pill, drive a car, flip on your tv, log onto the Net, etc.   Why then does this basic 19th century science pose such a problem?

Because people are lying to you, by misrepresenting science and its findings.


Then in that case, it's too late.
Carbon emissions are only going to keep on increasing from now until at least 2100...no matter what.
Overpopulation, which no one wants to know about.

Roll over. Play dead.

You're wrong about climate change and wrong about emissions. And we can only hope that emissions are a consideration in 2100. But if we follow your lead either way, we're more screwed than if we ignore you.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24559 on: December 05, 2019, 02:09:51 PM »

So every country in the world understands and believes in climate change.  Almost every credible scientist is convinced as well.
But one political party in the US, supported by religious folk who don't go in for science and Big Oil and other major polluters, doesn't buy it.

So which is more likely: that the entire world, nearly 200 countries and 7 billion people, plus all the world's scientists are mistaken or have been duped.  Or that right-wing folks in the US believe climate change is a hoax because it conflicts with their religious views or their source of income (or because the party they support denies climate change mostly for those two reasons)?

This is a serious legit question.

Furthermore, taking action now to reduce greenhouse gasses will still reduce pollution and have vast health benefits even if manmade climate change somehow is wrong or irreversible. 
The supposed economic downside to reducing greenhouse gasses and witching off of fossil fuels are likely more than offset by the new green jobs created, the health benefits of breathing clean air, along with the reduction in petroleum spills and accidents (bet ya a pipeline somewhere leaked today!)


Yes, reducing greenhouse gasses and reducing pollution are worth doing.
Problem is the cost.
The cost of giving the UN billions/trillions of taxpayers' dollars for 'climate change', for starters.
...large part of the reason Trump took US out of 'Paris'.
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« Reply #24560 on: December 05, 2019, 02:10:55 PM »

http://www.salon.com/2019/12/05/beyond-conspiracy-theory-trump-and-the-republicans-are-waging-an-all-out-war-on-reality/

Bambi was among the first victims of the English language bullshit empire.

Red is vying to retroactively become patient 0.
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« Reply #24561 on: December 05, 2019, 02:18:09 PM »


• The Earth is heated by the flux of energy it receives from the Sun, and cools down by emitting infrared radiation to space.

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Simple really, no degree from Harvard needed for this one either.

Sunlight heats ground.   Heat, longwave radiation, then radiates back to space.  A pure nitrogen and oxygen atmosphere would let all that IR radiation pass through.  Some molecules, however, like nitrogen oxide, methane, and CO2, absorb longwave photons and increase their rate of vibration.   This increase in kinetic energy is called "heat"  -- those molecules are thus retaining energy that would otherwise escape into space.  As these molecules are singularly good at trapping heat, they cause a rise in near-surface temperatures when their concentrations go up.   Basic physics and chemistry.  High school students do basic experiments, like Tyndall's 1859 experiment that easily demonstrate this effect.   

The last 150 years of science have advanced our knowledge of how this works, as well as proved other principles on which you daily assert your unquestioning faith when you step aboard a jet, take a pill, drive a car, flip on your tv, log onto the Net, etc.   Why then does this basic 19th century science pose such a problem?

Because people are lying to you, by misrepresenting science and its findings.


Then in that case, it's too late.
Carbon emissions are only going to keep on increasing from now until at least 2100...no matter what.
Overpopulation, which no one wants to know about.

Roll over. Play dead.

You're wrong about climate change and wrong about emissions. And we can only hope that emissions are a consideration in 2100. But if we follow your lead either way, we're more screwed than if we ignore you.

Like I said...it's too late.
Unless someone comes up with some magic.

https://skepticalscience.com/

According to the newly released figures, to stay on track to meet the 2 degrees Celsius Paris target, the fossil fuel supply can release only about 350 billion more tons of carbon dioxide between now and 2030, and a total of 550 billion tons by 2040. For the 1.5 degrees Celsius target, the numbers are about 300 billion tons by 2030 and 450 billion tons by 2040.

Based on the analyses of current pledged climate policies, humans are currently on track to exceed the 2 degree path by 17% by 2030 and 36% by 2040. Those are policies that would instead send the world towards the 3 degrees Celsius warming scenario by 2100.

However, based on countries’ fossil fuel production plans, carbon pollution will be about 10% higher yet. Those plans translate to about 450 billion tons of carbon dioxide released between now and 2030, and nearly 850 billion tons by 2040. For the latter date, it’s an overshoot of the 2 degrees Paris carbon budgets by 50%, and 85% too much carbon to stay on the 1.5 degrees Celsius path.

In short, if countries follow through with their current fossil fuel production plans, the world will be on track to warm more than 3 degrees C (5.4 degrees F) by 2100, and meeting the Paris targets would become virtually impossible.

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« Reply #24562 on: December 05, 2019, 02:18:48 PM »

Yes, reducing greenhouse gasses and reducing pollution are worth doing.
Problem is the cost.
The cost of giving the UN billions/trillions of taxpayers' dollars for 'climate change', for starters.
...large part of the reason Trump took US out of 'Paris'.

Climate change has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $350 billion over the past decade, according to a report released last year from nonpartisan federal watchdog the Government Accountability Office. By 2050, that figure will be $35 billion per year. Costs include clean up and disaster assistance from flooding and storms, which are set to increase under rising temperatures.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/6-ways-to-prepare-your-finances-for-climate-change-2016-12-20
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« Reply #24563 on: December 05, 2019, 02:24:01 PM »

http://www.salon.com/2019/12/05/beyond-conspiracy-theory-trump-and-the-republicans-are-waging-an-all-out-war-on-reality/

Bambi was among the first victims of the English language bullshit empire.

Red is vying to retroactively become patient 0.

Reality is...

China will likely have taken over the world by 2100.
Many people seem to have seen it, and are living for 'today' not 'tomorrow'.

China is allegedly building coal-fired power stations as fast as it can go.
So are India, Japan and many others.
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« Reply #24564 on: December 05, 2019, 02:31:51 PM »


Watching the “fuck your feelings” crowd who called everyone ‘snowflakes’ collapsing into quivering mounds of jello because a law professor mentioned Trump’s kid by name is precious.


But Trump just cares so much about the children:

https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-the-cell-where-a-sick-16-year-old-boy-died-in-border-patrol-care?utm_content=buffercec38&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=ProPublica+Main+#172358

Not sure if Melania has ever tweeted about her husband keeping kids in cages.  I doubt it.
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« Reply #24565 on: December 05, 2019, 02:47:15 PM »

Yes, reducing greenhouse gasses and reducing pollution are worth doing.
Problem is the cost.
The cost of giving the UN billions/trillions of taxpayers' dollars for 'climate change', for starters.
...large part of the reason Trump took US out of 'Paris'.

Climate change has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $350 billion over the past decade, according to a report released last year from nonpartisan federal watchdog the Government Accountability Office. By 2050, that figure will be $35 billion per year. Costs include clean up and disaster assistance from flooding and storms, which are set to increase under rising temperatures.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/6-ways-to-prepare-your-finances-for-climate-change-2016-12-20
A lot cheaper than eliminating fossil fuels.
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« Reply #24566 on: December 05, 2019, 02:54:46 PM »

http://www.salon.com/2019/12/05/beyond-conspiracy-theory-trump-and-the-republicans-are-waging-an-all-out-war-on-reality/

Bambi was among the first victims of the English language bullshit empire.

Red is vying to retroactively become patient 0.

Reality is...

China will likely have taken over the world by 2100.
Many people seem to have seen it, and are living for 'today' not 'tomorrow'.

China is allegedly building coal-fired power stations as fast as it can go.
So are India, Japan and many others.

Fail
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« Reply #24567 on: December 05, 2019, 03:03:02 PM »


Yes, reducing greenhouse gasses and reducing pollution are worth doing.
Problem is the cost.
The cost of giving the UN billions/trillions of taxpayers' dollars for 'climate change', for starters.
...large part of the reason Trump took US out of 'Paris'.

Climate change has cost U.S. taxpayers more than $350 billion over the past decade, according to a report released last year from nonpartisan federal watchdog the Government Accountability Office. By 2050, that figure will be $35 billion per year. Costs include clean up and disaster assistance from flooding and storms, which are set to increase under rising temperatures.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/6-ways-to-prepare-your-finances-for-climate-change-2016-12-20
A lot cheaper than eliminating fossil fuels.


Wrong.   Fixing the problem before it balloons and requires disaster remediations at very high cost, is cheaper.   And creates new industries and new jobs.   To give one example:

Which makes more sense, let temperatures soar until ocean ecosystems expire and then a mad scramble to find replacement protein (for all the sea food lost) and clean up Red Tides and other marine disasters and build seawalls and so on...or spend the money to fast-track clean energy, and lower-methane agriculture, and possibly innovations like coastal cloud generators, and hold the line at temps that give us a little margin to keep the oceans alive. 
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« Reply #24568 on: December 05, 2019, 03:03:52 PM »

http://www.salon.com/2019/12/05/beyond-conspiracy-theory-trump-and-the-republicans-are-waging-an-all-out-war-on-reality/

Bambi was among the first victims of the English language bullshit empire.

Red is vying to retroactively become patient 0.

Reality is...

China will likely have taken over the world by 2100.
Many people seem to have seen it, and are living for 'today' not 'tomorrow'.

China is allegedly building coal-fired power stations as fast as it can go.
So are India, Japan and many others.

Fail

Wouldn't be the first time. :)
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« Reply #24569 on: December 05, 2019, 03:09:41 PM »

Imagine a global truce and every nation united in a war for clean air, clean energy, and averting global tipping points on warming.   Does anyone really want to see what breathing is like when all the phytoplankton stop photosynthetic conversion of CO2 to oxygen?  My guess is no.  Ordinary people understand what's important.  It's the power-trippers and wealth-armored who imagine that they'll be fine, and fuck everyone else.   
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