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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[bambu.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/world/australia/sydney-fires.html

Australia Burns Again, and Now Its Biggest City Is Choking

In Sydney, fresh air and ocean breezes have long been treated as a daily birthright. Not anymore.

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Hogwash.
When the fires are put out/burn themselves out...it'll be back to fresh air and sea breezes again.
Nov is storm season...lightning everywhere...dry thunderstorms, no rain.
Arsonists everywhere...some have been arrested.
This year the winds have been mostly from the west...from the outback...hot, dry, strong...blowing all the smoke from the fires to the coast.
Last few days the wind has been from the NE...clearing the smoke to out west.

And how do you know that you are right and they are wrong, overall, Bambi?

How do you know that there has not been a long term change in the winds?

Some years there are more fires than others.
Some years the Rural Fire Service does Hazard Reduction Burns and smokes out the city.
Some years the city is covered in smoke, some years not so much.

Long term change in the winds? 'The climate is always changing'
Could be...but I'm still keeping my old Corolla.

"The climate is always changing" is a decense against the science of climate change in the same way "people are always dying" is a defense against murder.

Once upon a time you could walk from Australia to India.

[Hairy Lime]

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/trump-hails-himself-greatest-of-all-presidents-as-democrats-meet-to-prepare-impeachment-charges/ar-BBXVBfl?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

"If President Obama made the deals that I have made, both at the Border and for the Economy, the Corrupt Media would be hailing them as Incredible, & a National Holiday would be immediately declared. With me, despite our record setting Economy and all that I have done, no credit!"

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Seems to be.

Only if you are weak minded enough to take.Trump at his own self assessment. Which you are.

[josh]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/world/australia/sydney-fires.html

Australia Burns Again, and Now Its Biggest City Is Choking

In Sydney, fresh air and ocean breezes have long been treated as a daily birthright. Not anymore.

#####

Hogwash.
When the fires are put out/burn themselves out...it'll be back to fresh air and sea breezes again.
Nov is storm season...lightning everywhere...dry thunderstorms, no rain.
Arsonists everywhere...some have been arrested.
This year the winds have been mostly from the west...from the outback...hot, dry, strong...blowing all the smoke from the fires to the coast.
Last few days the wind has been from the NE...clearing the smoke to out west.

And how do you know that you are right and they are wrong, overall, Bambi?

How do you know that there has not been a long term change in the winds?

Some years there are more fires than others.
Some years the Rural Fire Service does Hazard Reduction Burns and smokes out the city.
Some years the city is covered in smoke, some years not so much.

Long term change in the winds? 'The climate is always changing'
Could be...but I'm still keeping my old Corolla.

I asked you how you knew it wasn't a long term change.

You spluttered and uttered pablum.

"The climate is always changing" is the equivalent of saying "the Sun always rises."

The climate doesn't always change in one direction for a long period. It doesn't always set new records every year.

And the changes don't always put millions of lives at risk.

But right now, they do.

You come back with bullshit about how such a small amount of CO2 in the air couldn't possibly impact the climate and that humans couldn't make such a bit impact, ignoring that "parts per million" is a pretty common measurement of hazardous materials.

Particulate matter is a problem - it is a problem in the oceans and in the air.


CO2? So little! Here's why it has such a big impact.

https://www.sciencealert.com/co2-is-only-a-tiny-part-of-our-atmosphere-but-it-has-a-huge-influence-here-s-why

[kidcarter8]

Many people's assessment. Including some who have left the administration

Egg throwers?  Not so much.  But you wouldn't expect praise from opposition extremists

[josh]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/world/australia/sydney-fires.html

Australia Burns Again, and Now Its Biggest City Is Choking

In Sydney, fresh air and ocean breezes have long been treated as a daily birthright. Not anymore.

#####

Hogwash.
When the fires are put out/burn themselves out...it'll be back to fresh air and sea breezes again.
Nov is storm season...lightning everywhere...dry thunderstorms, no rain.
Arsonists everywhere...some have been arrested.
This year the winds have been mostly from the west...from the outback...hot, dry, strong...blowing all the smoke from the fires to the coast.
Last few days the wind has been from the NE...clearing the smoke to out west.

And how do you know that you are right and they are wrong, overall, Bambi?

How do you know that there has not been a long term change in the winds?

Some years there are more fires than others.
Some years the Rural Fire Service does Hazard Reduction Burns and smokes out the city.
Some years the city is covered in smoke, some years not so much.

Long term change in the winds? 'The climate is always changing'
Could be...but I'm still keeping my old Corolla.

"The climate is always changing" is a decense against the science of climate change in the same way "people are always dying" is a defense against murder.

Once upon a time you could walk from Australia to India.

Once upon a time you could kill somebody without its being a crime.

Once upon a time there was no Earth.

Once upon a time there was no Nutella.

What's your point?

[LarryBnDC]

Trump's defenders have yet another argument against impeachment: Holding a vote in December will ruin Christmas.   

Except they held the vote to impeach Clinton on December 19.

And your point is?

The complaint is not sincere, Larry, just a complaint because they have to bitch about something.

Just point8ng out the hypocrisy on the part of the GOP.

[bodiddley]

My favorite recent GOP hypocrisy:

The party that routinely shuts down the Gov't complaining that Congress isn't doing its job (so the House should drop impeachment).

[bambu.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/world/australia/sydney-fires.html

Australia Burns Again, and Now Its Biggest City Is Choking

In Sydney, fresh air and ocean breezes have long been treated as a daily birthright. Not anymore.

#####

Hogwash.
When the fires are put out/burn themselves out...it'll be back to fresh air and sea breezes again.
Nov is storm season...lightning everywhere...dry thunderstorms, no rain.
Arsonists everywhere...some have been arrested.
This year the winds have been mostly from the west...from the outback...hot, dry, strong...blowing all the smoke from the fires to the coast.
Last few days the wind has been from the NE...clearing the smoke to out west.

And how do you know that you are right and they are wrong, overall, Bambi?

How do you know that there has not been a long term change in the winds?

Some years there are more fires than others.
Some years the Rural Fire Service does Hazard Reduction Burns and smokes out the city.
Some years the city is covered in smoke, some years not so much.

Long term change in the winds? 'The climate is always changing'
Could be...but I'm still keeping my old Corolla.

"The climate is always changing" is a decense against the science of climate change in the same way "people are always dying" is a defense against murder.

Once upon a time you could walk from Australia to India.

Once upon a time you could kill somebody without its being a crime.

Once upon a time there was no Earth.

Once upon a time there was no Nutella.

What's your point?

The seas rose...climate change...and covered the land bridge.
Climate change is nothing new.

_____________

Around 500 million years ago, the area was taken over by the sea. The sand and mud that originally characterised it sank to the bottom of the ocean and created a layer on top of the sea bed. The added weight turned the fan shapes into rock, where the sand fan became Uluru and the rocky fan became Kata Tjuta.

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Climate change...nothing new.
Ice ages come and go.
Glaciers melt.

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/11/scientists-are-desperately-trying-to-figure-out-how-long-we-have-until-doomsday-glaciers-melt/

The glaciers of Pine Island Bay are two of the largest and fastest-melting in Antarctica. (A Rolling Stone feature earlier this year dubbed Thwaites “The Doomsday Glacier.”) Together, they act as a plug holding back enough ice to pour 11 feet of sea-level rise into the world’s oceans—an amount that would submerge every coastal city on the planet. For that reason, finding out how fast these glaciers will collapse is one of the most important scientific questions in the world today.

To figure that out, scientists have been looking back to the end of the last ice age, about 11,000 years ago, when global temperatures stood at roughly their current levels. The bad news? There’s growing evidence that the Pine Island Bay glaciers collapsed rapidly back then, flooding the world’s coastlines—partially the result of something called “marine ice-cliff instability.”

[bambu.]

Once upon a time you could kill somebody without its being a crime.

You still can...in state death chambers.
That should be changed.

[josh]

Trump's defenders have yet another argument against impeachment: Holding a vote in December will ruin Christmas.   

Except they held the vote to impeach Clinton on December 19.

And your point is?

The complaint is not sincere, Larry, just a complaint because they have to bitch about something.

Just point8ng out the hypocrisy on the part of the GOP.

It would be rarer to have sincerity on their parts when it comes to the well-being of others.

[josh]

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump warned Sunday that North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un could "void" their "special relationship" amid reports that the hermit nation conducted an "important" test at a missile site.

"Kim Jong Un is too smart and has far too much to lose, everything actually, if he acts in a hostile way," Trump wrote in a pair of tweets. "He does not want to void his special relationship with the President of the United States..."

Too fucking funny.

The thing that makes it funny is that Trump likely believes that a "special relationship" with this President of the United States is something somebody wants and also that he has control in this relationship.

[facilitatorn]

Trump’s got the one special relationship. Putin is his lord and savior.

http://www.dcreport.org/2019/12/08/rachel-maddow-connects-the-dots-and-they-lead-to-moscow/

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2019/12/08/irony-and-outrage-part-2-why-colbert-got-serious-and-why-donald-trump-isnt-funny/

[facilitatorn]

(Ink) Shots fired at the firm of Giuliani & Barr, rats defending plutocrats.

http://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/08/giuliani-barr-trump-impeachment-law-078425

[facilitatorn]

http://www.lawfareblog.com/battle-impeachment-reports-do-parties-disagree-about-facts

No so much, actually.