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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24855 on: December 10, 2019, 11:09:59 AM »

Quite possible.

In 1974, the GOP was a party.   It is now a cult.   So none of this matters.   Thanks to the Kochs et al, a far-right cabal took over the GOP,  and members were programmed to believe anything they hear from officials and from Faux News, a lot of long-debunked economic and social theories.  With a dollop of theocracy.   Of course Trump won't be convicted.   A dismissal will just eliminate the sham that a Senate trial would be (a sham in the sense that most GOP senators will only pretend to hear evidence and pretend to consider it).   The real question is how many independent voters have drunk the Fox/Koch/Trump tea-flavored koolaid.

Yesterday the Dept. of Justice IG charged with looking into the origins of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump Campaign issued a report that had a very clear top line conclusion; while the FBI agents charged with justifying surveillance of the campaign made mistakes, those were not born out of any political bias, and that the investigation itself was properly predicated and justified.

Trumpworld’s reaction:  AG Barr declares that he doesn’t agree with the conclusions, at the same time saying it justified his opinion that the investigation was overly intrusive and not justified.  Nunes says his memo is vindicated.   Graham accused the FBI of criminal behavior, setting out to purposefully defraud the FISA court.  Scalise claims the report proved Obama abused his power, and tried to rig the election against Trump.  Hannity says all their reporting has now been shown to be true, and of course Trump is now saying there was an attempted COUP against him, and has issued threats against his own FBI Director for accurately portraying the reports contents.

This is instructive to the impeachment effort today vs. 1974.  Who knows, in the end Barr  and Durham may come up with magical evidence that shows that all of the FBI was out to get Trump and prevent his getting elected in 2016 (they just apparently forgot to tell anyone about the investigation until after the election.)  Sure, could happen.  But this report says absolutely nothing of the kind and yet here are high ranking members of the Republican Party and their most trusted media apparatus blithely, without any concern for any repercussions, lying about what it says.

I don’t know exactly where it started or if the Kochs have something to do with it, but at some point between 1974 and now Republicans figured out that their power and policy goals benefitted in  a world where there were no agreed upon facts, that things like evidence and truth don’t matter, and that outright lying to the American people were justified means to the end of granting tax cuts to rich people.   

The response to the impeachment articles was previewed yesterday on a different but related matter.  They will lie however blatantly that requires.  And no Republican or their supporters can now even pretend that their reaction has anything to do with the evidence of Trump’s wrongdoing. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24856 on: December 10, 2019, 11:14:51 AM »

The posturing begins in Elba

You got a head start on the posturing, toddler, when you claimed yesterday that Republicans would support impeachment if only the facts supported it.  You know full well that wasn't true because Graham and McConnell told you different.  But pretending it is will allow you to pretend that the Senate response to the impeachment articles, whether through dismissal or a show trial, prove Trump's innocence.  They don't.

There is more evidence today than there was in 1974 connecting Trump to a crime and betrayal of America's interests that was more serious than Nixon's.

That Trump will get away with it without so much as a censure from the Senate shows that the concern for our democracy and the norms it depends on to function that has animated so much of the opposition to Trump was 100% justified.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24857 on: December 10, 2019, 11:44:10 AM »

You got a head start on the posturing when you claimed yesterday that Republicans would support impeachment if only the facts supported it.  You know full well that wasn't true because Graham and McConnell told you different. 


I think you are getting your Republicans mixed up

Could be you had a dicsussion somewhere else on the matter and are confused - as I am sure there are other daily outlets for your talk..



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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24858 on: December 10, 2019, 11:46:30 AM »


There is more evidence today than there was in 1974 connecting Trump to a crime and betrayal of America's interests that was more serious than Nixon's.

That Trump will get away with it without so much as a censure from the Senate shows that the concern for our democracy and the norms it depends on to function that has animated so much of the opposition to Trump was 100% justified


Ms Warren will consider your application.  But dont wait by the phone.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24859 on: December 10, 2019, 11:57:49 AM »

You got a head start on the posturing when you claimed yesterday that Republicans would support impeachment if only the facts supported it.  You know full well that wasn't true because Graham and McConnell told you different. 


I think you are getting your Republicans mixed up

Could be you had a dicsussion somewhere else on the matter and are confused - as I am sure there are other daily outlets for your talk..

While I want to give you credit for now disavowing such a stupid statement, the fact that you are doing it again a second time after your original post was pointed to only really shows how much of a bone deep Trumpist you are.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24861 on: December 10, 2019, 12:08:27 PM »

Quite possible.

In 1974, the GOP was a party.   It is now a cult.   So none of this matters.   Thanks to the Kochs et al, a far-right cabal took over the GOP,  and members were programmed to believe anything they hear from officials and from Faux News, a lot of long-debunked economic and social theories.  With a dollop of theocracy.   Of course Trump won't be convicted.   A dismissal will just eliminate the sham that a Senate trial would be (a sham in the sense that most GOP senators will only pretend to hear evidence and pretend to consider it).   The real question is how many independent voters have drunk the Fox/Koch/Trump tea-flavored koolaid.

Yesterday the Dept. of Justice IG charged with looking into the origins of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump Campaign issued a report that had a very clear top line conclusion; while the FBI agents charged with justifying surveillance of the campaign made mistakes, those were not born out of any political bias, and that the investigation itself was properly predicated and justified.
LOL.
If anything the report is a triumph for Devin Nunes.  He was the one who first blew the whistle on FISA abuse confirmed in the report. Nunes correctly pointed out the dossier was as an "essential" part of applications, and FBI withheld info from FISA court.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24862 on: December 10, 2019, 12:13:26 PM »

You got a head start on the posturing when you claimed yesterday that Republicans would support impeachment if only the facts supported it.  You know full well that wasn't true because Graham and McConnell told you different. 


I think you are getting your Republicans mixed up

Could be you had a dicsussion somewhere else on the matter and are confused - as I am sure there are other daily outlets for your talk..

While I want to give you credit for now disavowing such a stupid statement, the fact that you are doing it again a second time after your original post was pointed to only really shows how much of a bone deep Trumpist you are.

sure
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« Reply #24863 on: December 10, 2019, 12:30:43 PM »

Quite possible.

In 1974, the GOP was a party.   It is now a cult.   So none of this matters.   Thanks to the Kochs et al, a far-right cabal took over the GOP,  and members were programmed to believe anything they hear from officials and from Faux News, a lot of long-debunked economic and social theories.  With a dollop of theocracy.   Of course Trump won't be convicted.   A dismissal will just eliminate the sham that a Senate trial would be (a sham in the sense that most GOP senators will only pretend to hear evidence and pretend to consider it).   The real question is how many independent voters have drunk the Fox/Koch/Trump tea-flavored koolaid.

Yesterday the Dept. of Justice IG charged with looking into the origins of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump Campaign issued a report that had a very clear top line conclusion; while the FBI agents charged with justifying surveillance of the campaign made mistakes, those were not born out of any political bias, and that the investigation itself was properly predicated and justified.
LOL.
If anything the report is a triumph for Devin Nunes.  He was the one who first blew the whistle on FISA abuse confirmed in the report. Nunes correctly pointed out the dossier was as an "essential" part of applications, and FBI withheld info from FISA court.
LOL indeed. You have your head so far up your ass on this that it has come back out to where your head ought to be.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24864 on: December 10, 2019, 12:38:22 PM »

Quite possible.

In 1974, the GOP was a party.   It is now a cult.   So none of this matters.   Thanks to the Kochs et al, a far-right cabal took over the GOP,  and members were programmed to believe anything they hear from officials and from Faux News, a lot of long-debunked economic and social theories.  With a dollop of theocracy.   Of course Trump won't be convicted.   A dismissal will just eliminate the sham that a Senate trial would be (a sham in the sense that most GOP senators will only pretend to hear evidence and pretend to consider it).   The real question is how many independent voters have drunk the Fox/Koch/Trump tea-flavored koolaid.

Yesterday the Dept. of Justice IG charged with looking into the origins of the FBI’s investigation of the Trump Campaign issued a report that had a very clear top line conclusion; while the FBI agents charged with justifying surveillance of the campaign made mistakes, those were not born out of any political bias, and that the investigation itself was properly predicated and justified.
LOL.
If anything the report is a triumph for Devin Nunes.  He was the one who first blew the whistle on FISA abuse confirmed in the report. Nunes correctly pointed out the dossier was as an "essential" part of applications, and FBI withheld info from FISA court.
LOL indeed. You have your head so far up your ass on this that it has come back out to where your head ought to be.
What’s your point?
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« Reply #24865 on: December 10, 2019, 12:46:51 PM »

That you're a contortionist. 

Yes, I've researched the Kochs.

No, the IG report didn't find political bias and it found the overall conclusions of Crossfire Hurricane were sound.  Steele and Ivanka were friends.  The FISA screwups don't pertain to the core premise of the Trumpists.  Etc. 

You've got nothing but snark and absurdities like "triumph for Nunes."  Broken clock, sure.  Triumph, no. 
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« Reply #24866 on: December 10, 2019, 12:53:00 PM »

Quite possible.

In 1974, the GOP was a party.   It is now a cult.   So none of this matters.   Thanks to the Kochs et al, a far-right cabal took over the GOP,  and members were programmed to believe anything they hear from officials and from Faux News, a lot of long-debunked economic and social theories.  With a dollop of theocracy.   Of course Trump won't be convicted.   A dismissal will just eliminate the sham that a Senate trial would be (a sham in the sense that most GOP senators will only pretend to hear evidence and pretend to consider it).   The real question is how many independent voters have drunk the Fox/Koch/Trump tea-flavored koolaid.
I seriously doubt you have ever done any research on the Kochs.

I’ve done quite a bit.

The puppet answers.

You guys are a good act.

Look, the toddler zombie is trying out insults.  You should try eating brains like a normal zombie.  Sucking Trump's jizz isn't giving you enough protein.

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« Reply #24867 on: December 10, 2019, 01:11:53 PM »

What actual public servants look like...

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Democratic lawmakers faced questions from reporters about whether they were concerned that announcing a deal on Trump’s sought-after trade agreement would give him a political victory right as they accused him of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Their response: Who cares?

“It’s perceived somehow as a win for him, you know, okay. But I mean, who are we really working for?” said Rep. Daniel Kildee (D-Mich.). “We’re working to try to preserve American jobs. And if it does that, the fact that some benefit might accrue to him shouldn’t be a reason not to do it.”

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.) went so far as to say that the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement “is more important than the impeachment.”

“I represent a rural area, and the largest city in the state, and I have farmers who’ve taken two strikes — tariffs and flooding — and if the [USMCA] had fallen or if … it had become the victim of some political maneuvering, like we can’t give the president a victory, we would be in trouble.”

Some lawmakers even argued that reaching a deal on USMCA was actually a boon for Democrats. “It makes the argument that Congress is not obsessed by impeachment,” said Rep Barbara Lee (D-Calif.).
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #24868 on: December 10, 2019, 01:22:31 PM »

That you're a contortionist. 

Yes, I've researched the Kochs.
No you haven’t.
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No, the IG report didn't find political bias and it found the overall conclusions of Crossfire Hurricane were sound. 
Nopolitical bias? Crossfire Hurricane was correct?
LOL. Horowitz found Crossfire Hurricane never verified any of the Steele allegations against Carter Paige. Further Horowitz’s report showed political bias was sent to the FISA Court by the Clinton Campaign via the Steele Dossier  through the FBI
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You've got nothing but snark and absurdities like "triumph for Nunes."
Nunes’long ago claims were proven true by the report. Facts.
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« Reply #24869 on: December 10, 2019, 01:28:30 PM »

That you're a contortionist. 

Yes, I've researched the Kochs.
No you haven’t.
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No, the IG report didn't find political bias and it found the overall conclusions of Crossfire Hurricane were sound. 
Nopolitical bias? Crossfire Hurricane was correct?
LOL. Horowitz found Crossfire Hurricane never verified any of the Steele allegations against Carter Paige. Further Horowitz’s report showed political bias was sent to the FISA Court by the Clinton Campaign via the Steele Dossier  through the FBI
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You've got nothing but snark and absurdities like "triumph for Nunes."
Nunes’long ago claims were proven true by the report. Facts.
Your Charles Boyer impression is spot on.
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