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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/steelmagnificat/2019/12/11607/

Tell me again how these are not concentration camp?

The occupants of this camp in Louisiana were not allowed to sing  Christmas Carols.

They are supplied with food and shelter, do not do slave labor, and are not shoved into gas chambers. There are American citizens in all the sanctuary city areas forced to live in the streets because all affordable housing is taken up.

The affordable housing has been gentrified.

But sure, blame poor people and immigrants.

[josh]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/steelmagnificat/2019/12/11607/

Tell me again how these are not concentration camp?

The occupants of this camp in Louisiana were not allowed to sing  Christmas Carols.

They are supplied with food and shelter, do not do slave labor, and are not shoved into gas chambers. There are American citizens in all the sanctuary city areas forced to live in the streets because all affordable housing is taken up.

Concentration camps existed before the death camps, Luee. They all provided food and shelter.

Tens of thousands of immigrants detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were forced to work for $1 day, or for nothing at all

from March, 2017

Detainees held at a privately-operated immigration detention center in Georgia are forced to work at the facility for pitiful pay and are threatened

from April, 2018

ICE Forced Labor Happens Under 'Voluntary' Work Program

from May, 2019

Since 2014, a series of lawsuits filed in federal courts from Washington to Georgia have collected similar allegations of coercive labor practices inside for-profit immigration detention centers run by GEO and its main competitor, CoreCivic. The lawsuits claim that the companies that operate the detention centers are violating minimum wage, unjust enrichment, and antislavery laws by coercing detainees to work for free, or, in some cases, $1 per day, by threatening them with punishment and depriving them of basic necessities. These cases have the potential to undercut GEO and CoreCivic’s profits from ICE detention, which accounts for about a quarter of their revenues, according to SEC filings.

This month, as a judge permitted a class action suit to move forward.

That leaves only your death camp comparison, which I mostly grant. But instead of gas chambers, these folks have only a failure to vaccinate (even though it would have been free for the prisons) and thousands of cases of sexual assault against the children.

Wanna try that argument again, apologist?

[josh]

Rape's a war crime in war.

If Trump isn't waging war on the migrants, I don't know what to call it, but it is a crime against humanity, either way, Luee.

But you go ahead and keep defending it.

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/steelmagnificat/2019/12/11607/

Tell me again how these are not concentration camp?

The occupants of this camp in Louisiana were not allowed to sing  Christmas Carols.

Wow

That is a very informative piece

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/steelmagnificat/2019/12/11607/

Tell me again how these are not concentration camp?

The occupants of this camp in Louisiana were not allowed to sing  Christmas Carols.

They are supplied with food and shelter, do not do slave labor, and are not shoved into gas chambers. There are American citizens in all the sanctuary city areas forced to live in the streets because all affordable housing is taken up.

The affordable housing has been gentrified.

But sure, blame poor people and immigrants.

As William of Baskerville once noted, "when your real enemies prove too strong, choose weaker enemies."

[facilitatorn]

In addition to concentration camps, here’s another rare area of growth under trump

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/mass-killings-reach-record-2019-largely-shootings.html

[oilcan]

I just had to flush 14 times to get Trump's conceptual turds out of my mind bowl.

[luee]

TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): You might be wondering, with so many people priced out of local housing, the people are literally living in RVs, miles of RVs parked along the streets and as you are watching here, in tents, why wouldn't local leaders want to slow or stop the flow of new arrivals to get prices under control, to opening up new housing? They're doing the opposite. LA is a sanctuary city in a sanctuary state, every politician there with any ambition will denounce our border as an atrocity and any immigration enforcement as an abomination.

https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-blames-homelessness-los-angeles-immigration-and-sanctuary-cities

Very easy to connect the dots between mass migration and a lack of affordable housing.

[josh]

TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): You might be wondering, with so many people priced out of local housing, the people are literally living in RVs, miles of RVs parked along the streets and as you are watching here, in tents, why wouldn't local leaders want to slow or stop the flow of new arrivals to get prices under control, to opening up new housing? They're doing the opposite. LA is a sanctuary city in a sanctuary state, every politician there with any ambition will denounce our border as an atrocity and any immigration enforcement as an abomination.

https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-blames-homelessness-los-angeles-immigration-and-sanctuary-cities

Very easy to connect the dots between mass migration and a lack of affordable housing.

Any time you are turning to Tucker Carlson to support your argument, you should stop, look in the mirror, and consider where your life went wrong. You should also go find better sources.

The Bay State’s illegal immigrant population increased to 275,000 in 2017, according to the Pew Research Center’s report based on government data. The 60,000 growth in Massachusetts since 2007 led the nation.

The other states with rising illegal immigrant populations were Maryland, up 45,000; Louisiana, up 15,000; and North and South Dakota, each up 5,000.

States that saw declines included five of the six states with the largest illegal immigrant populations: California, down 775,000; New York, down 375,000; Florida, down 210,000; Illinois, down 120,000; and New Jersey, down 110,000. A sharp decrease in Mexican migration was the major factor driving down the overall population of illegal immigrants in the U.S.

The cause of high prices in the real estate market, whether buying or renting, is popularity of the area. It would not make a significant dent in the order of most expensive places to live for us to eliminate the residents who are here without permission - gentrification is not caused by them but by those coming in with money who can afford to buy out the have-nots already there or the landlords for those have-nots.

The sharp reductions in illegal immigrant population in CA, NY, and FL have not resulted a drop in their being expensive. The cost of living and the housing costs have continued to rise.
http://metrocosm.com/3d-map-us-real-estate/

[facilitatorn]

If we simply abolish golf courses and turn the land into low income housing, we’d be able to house most of our homeless without too much trouble.

[barton]

Well putt.

[Yankguy1]

Tucker Carlson? Nice work Luee.

[bambu.]

If we simply abolish golf courses and turn the land into low income housing, we’d be able to house most of our homeless without too much trouble.

And when the former golf courses are full?

Better idea...stop all immigration and lose 100m population [natural attrition].
America was a better place when the population was only 230m?

1982
Several witnesses have today testified that the U.S. population size should stabilize at the current number of about 230 million.

[bambu.]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/28/us/mississippi-ice-raids-poultry-plants.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

After ICE Raids, a Reckoning in Mississippi’s Chicken Country

A series of federal immigration raids swept up nearly 700 undocumented workers, creating opportunities — and some ethical concerns — for American-born residents.

The Koch Foods chicken processing plant in Morton, Miss., was targeted by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Some Hispanic employees who were rounded up, a colleague said, wanted to work so badly that they tried to return the next day.Credit...Annie Flanagan for The New York Times

MORTON, Miss. — Juan Grant strode into the Koch Foods chicken processing plant for his new job on a Wednesday morning, joining many other African-Americans in a procession of rubber boots, hairnets and last cigarettes before the grind.

But Mr. Grant clearly remembered Aug. 7, the day the Trump administration performed sweeping immigration raids on seven chicken plants in central Mississippi. He remembered the news flashing on his phone: 680 Hispanic workers arrested. He remembers seeing an opportunity.

“I figured there should be some jobs,” he said.
He figured right.

The raids were believed to be the largest statewide immigration crackdown in recent history and a partial fulfillment of President Trump’s vow to remove millions of undocumented workers from the country. The impact on Mississippi’s immigrant community has been devastating. For non-immigrant workers, the aftermath has forced them into a personal reckoning with questions of morality and economic self-interest: The raids brought suffering, but they also created job openings.

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In the country illegally?
Working illegally?
One day the reckoning could come.

Of course, employers should never have been able to hire undocumented workers in the first place.
There should be huge fines etc for doing so.
Employers should have to demand that anyone they hire is in the country legally and has the legal right to work in America...otherwise there's just anarchy, "Rafferty's rules", rorts a plenty.

Mrs bambu had her face scanned and fingerprints recorded...placed in the govt man's data bank...and she was only in the country for a few weeks as a tourist [with all the US govt approved documentation.]

If chicken processing plants etc can't find enough required workers, after extensive local/US wide advertising, then they should be able to hire legal workers from other countries on special work visas [thorough background/identification immigration checks, passports issued in the other countries].

'Sheriff Don' has replaced Sheriff Joe..."jobs for Americans first".

[LarryBnDC]