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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

The fires in Australia happen every year, arsonists and lightning.



Yes.  They would have you believe otherwise

Yeah every year a half billion animals are killed in firestorms....

[kiidcarter8]

No...

[josh]

No...

Gee, they aren't?

KID!

PAY FUCKING ATTENTION, even if Bambi can't.

This is not "business as usual" either in Australia or elsewhere in the world. This is not the same old climate cycle, as any casual observation of the data will tell you.

Things are different. They are changing in unusual ways. And it isn't good.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/mike-pence-senate-impeachment-op-ed/index.html

Mike Pence thinks Democratic senators should acquit Trump.

[bambu.]

The fires in Australia happen every year, arsonists and lightning.



Yes.  They would have you believe otherwise

Yeah every year a half billion animals are killed in firestorms....

Australia...sometimes there are freak fires...the planets are aligned, the Devil shows up, the hot gusty winds from the desert blow in.
Dumb politicians etc who gambled, didn't spend money buying many large water bombing planes, got caught out, one day it was going to happen..

Every year storms come thru the gulf of Mexico...then the massive "rogue wave" Katrina came.
Every year earthquakes hit Japan...then one year the massive "rogue wave" tsunami hit.

Freak fires in Australia are nothing new;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuYZRttpD9Y
Victoria ABC TV 2009 - Black Saturday Documentary [HD Quality]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires

The Black Saturday bushfires[10] were a series of bushfires that ignited or were burning across the Australian state of Victoria on and around Saturday, 7 February 2009 and were among Australia's all-time worst bushfire disasters. The fires occurred during extreme bushfire weather conditions and resulted in Australia's highest ever loss of human life from a bushfire,[11] with 173 fatalities.[12] Many people were left homeless as a result.

As many as 400 individual fires were recorded on Saturday 7 February; the day has become widely referred to in Australia as Black Saturday.

[LarryBnDC]

The fires in Australia happen every year, arsonists and lightning.



Yes.  They would have you believe otherwise

Yeah every year a half billion animals are killed in firestorms....

Australia...sometimes there are freak fires...the planets are aligned, the Devil shows up, the hot gusty winds from the desert blow in.
Dumb politicians etc who gambled, didn't spend money buying many large water bombing planes, got caught out, one day it was going to happen..

Every year storms come thru the gulf of Mexico...then the massive "rogue wave" Katrina came.
Every year earthquakes hit Japan...then one year the massive "rogue wave" tsunami hit.

Freak fires in Australia are nothing new;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuYZRttpD9Y
Victoria ABC TV 2009 - Black Saturday Documentary [HD Quality]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_bushfires

The Black Saturday bushfires[10] were a series of bushfires that ignited or were burning across the Australian state of Victoria on and around Saturday, 7 February 2009 and were among Australia's all-time worst bushfire disasters. The fires occurred during extreme bushfire weather conditions and resulted in Australia's highest ever loss of human life from a bushfire,[11] with 173 fatalities.[12] Many people were left homeless as a result.

As many as 400 individual fires were recorded on Saturday 7 February; the day has become widely referred to in Australia as Black Saturday.

Everything is just fine...

[Hairy Lime]

The Right Stuff: Sanctuary law a burden to taxpayers

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/opinion/local-opinion-columnists/the-right-stuff-5/

---Pro-immigrant advocates must be taken to task for their actions against American citizens and American agencies. Taxpayers suffer violence, costs associated with all aspects of criminal immigrants and, in essence, are an enslaved population supporting a population from cultures entering this country illegally who do not share the intent to assimilate into our culture.---

You do not have to eat the whole egg to know it is rotten. Sometimes only part of a sentence is enough. That highlighted language would never be written by someone who is not a racist.

[barton]

Bambi,  facts don't exist in isolation.   Sometimes you add several together.  Average temps in Australia went up over a degree Celsius in one century.   (usually,  in interglacial periods,  this takes thousands of years)  Marine water temps also rose,  with results of coral reef damage (again,  not in a normal cycle).   Greenhouse gases rapidly increasing, all specifically traceable (through spectrometer analysis and other reliable methods) to human sources.   NOx from tailpipes,  for example.   (the x signifies two forms of nitrogen oxide)   Species migration to new habitats.  Again,  over a very short period,  due to unprecedented rates of change.   Ice melting (the rate of melt is,  again,  part of a very solid body of evidence).   Positive feedback effects -  another fact that adds to your understanding of the science:  when highly reflective ice vanishes,  and is replaced with darker,  more energy-absorbing land surface or open ocean,  that area of earth is now accumulating heat energy that was formerly reflected back into space.  So overall heat retention accelerates.   This changes oceanic currents and drives hotter dryer weather in Australia.

So,  when the rate of drought and resulting bush fires picks up, that's a fact that EXISTS IN RELATION TO OTHER ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS ABOUT ABNORMAL RATES OF CLIMATIC CHANGE,  NOT BY ITSELF.   It's like a trial in court, where there are MULTIPLE LINES OF EVIDENCE.   

[kiidcarter8]

Nobody is arguing with you idiots

Its still a natural fucking disaster

Made worse by man?

Sure - and in more ways than one.  You seem to get pissed off that one of the ways is not fully labeled by everyone - but also dismiss the other (arson, poor planning to combat the fire, etc)

All climate change all the time is what is annoying as fucking hell,  See it as PART of a developing worldwide problem - a concern that needs immediate measure - rather than a means to the end of the world withing ten years - and we will all get along better.

[barton]

Where in my post did I say that arson couldn't also be starting fires?  And planning problems slowing their control?

Where did I say that it doesn't need immediate worldwide attention?   Like the Paris Accord,  perhaps you recall most nations signing on to that?  And who opposed that,  BTW?   

If you can point to where I've said anything you just attributed, please let me know. 

[LarryBnDC]

Nobody is arguing with you idiots

Its still a natural fucking disaster

Made worse by man?

Sure - and in more ways than one.  You seem to get pissed off that one of the ways is not fully labeled by everyone - but also dismiss the other (arson, poor planning to combat the fire, etc)

All climate change all the time is what is annoying as fucking hell,  See it as PART of a developing worldwide problem - a concern that needs immediate measure - rather than a means to the end of the world withing ten years - and we will all get along better.

Jesus...

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/10/facebook-posts/those-claims-about-nearly-200-arrested-arson-austr/

[bambu.]

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/10/facebook-posts/those-claims-about-nearly-200-arrested-arson-austr/

Most of the fires were started by lightning.
Some were indeed started by arsonists deliberately.
Others were started by people accidentally, using a grinder outside on a 'total fire ban' day, for example. Sparks are fire, in big trouble you are.

Toss cigarette butts/ash out of the car window...people die...off to prison you go for a very long time.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-27/black-saturday-arsonist-sentenced-to-28holdholdhold29/3976564

2009

Five days after the fire, police took Sokaluk back to Jelleff's Outlet, where the blaze started.
He told police he may have accidentally started the fire when he threw cigarette ash out of his car window

"Part of my cigarette thing fell on the floor, so I got a bit of paper out to grab it and stuff... I thought it was dead and I've chucked it out the window, but I didn't know it had lit up," Sokaluk told them.

The cigarette ash explanation was pivotal in what was a largely circumstantial case.
But Sokaluk strenuously denied deliberately starting the fire.

"I didn't mean any of this to happen," he told police.
"I thought it was out when I threw the paper out the window.

"I had no intention of this all to happen. Now I have to put up [with it] for the rest of my life and it makes me sad."
Sokaluk is autistic and has a mild intellectual disability.

[bambu.]

Bambi,  facts don't exist in isolation.   Sometimes you add several together.  Average temps in Australia went up over a degree Celsius in one century.   (usually,  in interglacial periods,  this takes thousands of years)  Marine water temps also rose,  with results of coral reef damage (again,  not in a normal cycle).   Greenhouse gases rapidly increasing, all specifically traceable (through spectrometer analysis and other reliable methods) to human sources.   NOx from tailpipes,  for example.   (the x signifies two forms of nitrogen oxide)   Species migration to new habitats.  Again,  over a very short period,  due to unprecedented rates of change.   Ice melting (the rate of melt is,  again,  part of a very solid body of evidence).   Positive feedback effects -  another fact that adds to your understanding of the science:  when highly reflective ice vanishes,  and is replaced with darker,  more energy-absorbing land surface or open ocean,  that area of earth is now accumulating heat energy that was formerly reflected back into space.  So overall heat retention accelerates.   This changes oceanic currents and drives hotter dryer weather in Australia.

So,  when the rate of drought and resulting bush fires picks up, that's a fact that EXISTS IN RELATION TO OTHER ALREADY WELL ESTABLISHED FACTS ABOUT ABNORMAL RATES OF CLIMATIC CHANGE,  NOT BY ITSELF.   It's like a trial in court, where there are MULTIPLE LINES OF EVIDENCE.

Thank you for that.
What to do about it? Australia has to live? Gotta keep the lights on and aircon running.
Average Joe is broke, stores are broke, closing down everywhere.
Federal govt is trying to stay afloat, trying to have a budget surplus. Trying to pay for all the free stuff the People demand.


Instead of commuting by car to office towers, people could work from home...all they need is a phone/s, computer/s, office supplies, filing cabinet etc.
Sell the office towers for housing.
Car pooling with co-workers, ...cramped up, hot, stuffy, talk talk talk, bad drivers, horrible music, dirty feet, coughing, sniffling etc, loud voices, ….misery in the extreme.

[FlyingVProd]

People from Homeboy Industries can help to build housing for the homeless people in Los Angeles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeboy_Industries

They can work together with Habitat for Humanity.

https://www.habitatla.org/

And Chrysalis can send workers to help.

https://www.changelives.org/

And other charities can help.

Salute,

Tony V.