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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

“Rob Portman doesn't support conviction on impeachment, though he acknowledges Trump did what he's accused of. But he also doesn't support censure, because it's "a remedy with no consequence." So, basically, Rob Portman supports allowing Trump to do whatever he wants with no consequence.“

What Portman actually said.

(Portman) repeated that Trump’s actions “were wrong and inappropriate” but aren’t a crime and don’t meet the Constitution’s high bar for an impeachment conviction, when senators will vote on Wednesday afternoon. Portman also said he doesn’t favor a censure of the president as suggested by some senators because “it’s a remedy that has no impact.”
In the end, “The ultimate check and balance of our system is voters,” he said.

[josh]

Pete in the lead,  with 62% precinct reporting.

As David Brooks said,  "Buttigieg is an old person's idea of a young candidate. "

Except that's not what WaPo has!
Candidate   Pct.      Final alignment votes   Del.
Bernie Sanders   26.3   %   28,220   —
Pete Buttigieg   25.1      27,030   —
Elizabeth Warren   20.7      22,254   —
Joe Biden   13.2      14,176   —
Amy Klobuchar   12.4      13,357   —
Andrew Yang   1.0      1,124   —
Tom Steyer   0.2      222   —
Tulsi Gabbard   0.0      12   —
Michael Bloomberg   0.0      6   —
Michael Bennet   0.0      1   —
Deval Patrick   0.0      0   —
Other   0.1      139   —
Uncommitted   0.9      955   —

[josh]

“Rob Portman doesn't support conviction on impeachment, though he acknowledges Trump did what he's accused of. But he also doesn't support censure, because it's "a remedy with no consequence." So, basically, Rob Portman supports allowing Trump to do whatever he wants with no consequence.“

What Portman actually said.

(Portman) repeated that Trump’s actions “were wrong and inappropriate” but aren’t a crime and don’t meet the Constitution’s high bar for an impeachment conviction, when senators will vote on Wednesday afternoon. Portman also said he doesn’t favor a censure of the president as suggested by some senators because “it’s a remedy that has no impact.”
In the end, “The ultimate check and balance of our system is voters,” he said.

Yes, Larry summarized it well.

Portman is, of course, wrong about the lack of impact - but he knows that.

[luee]

Yes comes to America as xenophobic to the core. Never will assimilate, just takes up affordable housing and uses social programs.

OK, Pistol Pete in the lead.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Pete in the lead,  with 62% precinct reporting.

As David Brooks said,  "Buttigieg is an old person's idea of a young candidate. "

Except that's not what WaPo has!
Candidate   Pct.      Final alignment votes   Del.
Bernie Sanders   26.3   %   28,220   —
Pete Buttigieg   25.1      27,030   —
Elizabeth Warren   20.7      22,254   —
Joe Biden   13.2      14,176   —
Amy Klobuchar   12.4      13,357   —
Andrew Yang   1.0      1,124   —
Tom Steyer   0.2      222   —
Tulsi Gabbard   0.0      12   —
Michael Bloomberg   0.0      6   —
Michael Bennet   0.0      1   —
Deval Patrick   0.0      0   —
Other   0.1      139   —
Uncommitted   0.9      955   —

Damn that Citizens United SCOTUS decision!
What?
The hell you say!

[REDSTATEWARD]

“Rob Portman doesn't support conviction on impeachment, though he acknowledges Trump did what he's accused of. But he also doesn't support censure, because it's "a remedy with no consequence." So, basically, Rob Portman supports allowing Trump to do whatever he wants with no consequence.“

What Portman actually said.

(Portman) repeated that Trump’s actions “were wrong and inappropriate” but aren’t a crime and don’t meet the Constitution’s high bar for an impeachment conviction, when senators will vote on Wednesday afternoon. Portman also said he doesn’t favor a censure of the president as suggested by some senators because “it’s a remedy that has no impact.”
In the end, “The ultimate check and balance of our system is voters,” he said.

Yes, Larry summarized misquoted it well.

FIFY.

[barton]

Pete in the lead,  with 62% precinct reporting.

As David Brooks said,  "Buttigieg is an old person's idea of a young candidate. "

Except that's not what WaPo has!

JOSH

DELEGATE COUNT,  NOT RAW VOTE,  is how Iowa declares winners.   Like the US electoral system,  those 2 metrics don't always line up.

[LarryBnDC]

“Rob Portman doesn't support conviction on impeachment, though he acknowledges Trump did what he's accused of. But he also doesn't support censure, because it's "a remedy with no consequence." So, basically, Rob Portman supports allowing Trump to do whatever he wants with no consequence.“

What Portman actually said.

(Portman) repeated that Trump’s actions “were wrong and inappropriate” but aren’t a crime and don’t meet the Constitution’s high bar for an impeachment conviction, when senators will vote on Wednesday afternoon. Portman also said he doesn’t favor a censure of the president as suggested by some senators because “it’s a remedy that has no impact.”
In the end, “The ultimate check and balance of our system is voters,” he said.

Yes, Larry summarized misquoted it well.

FIFY.

I didn’t misquote him, I just interpreted his bullshit.

[barton]

Pete in the lead,  with 62% precinct reporting.

As David Brooks said,  "Buttigieg is an old person's idea of a young candidate. "

Except that's not what WaPo has!

JOSH

DELEGATE COUNT,  NOT RAW VOTE,  is how Iowa declares winners.   Like the US electoral system,  those 2 metrics don't always line up.

And the more rural precincts had the most trouble, predictably, training users of the app,  so their delegate counts aren't in yet and may skew a bit from where it is right now.

I lived in a caucus state,  I  know how confusing this system can be.   Bernie could stay ahead in raw votes and still lose.

[barton]

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200203-iowa/

Buttigieg ahead of Bernie,  363 to 338, in delegate equivalents.

[REDSTATEWARD]

“Rob Portman doesn't support conviction on impeachment, though he acknowledges Trump did what he's accused of. But he also doesn't support censure, because it's "a remedy with no consequence." So, basically, Rob Portman supports allowing Trump to do whatever he wants with no consequence.“

What Portman actually said.

(Portman) repeated that Trump’s actions “were wrong and inappropriate” but aren’t a crime and don’t meet the Constitution’s high bar for an impeachment conviction, when senators will vote on Wednesday afternoon. Portman also said he doesn’t favor a censure of the president as suggested by some senators because “it’s a remedy that has no impact.”
In the end, “The ultimate check and balance of our system is voters,” he said.

Yes, Larry summarized misquoted it well.

FIFY.

I didn’t misquote him, I just interpreted his bullshit.

You misquoted him.

[josh]

[josh]

“Rob Portman doesn't support conviction on impeachment, though he acknowledges Trump did what he's accused of. But he also doesn't support censure, because it's "a remedy with no consequence." So, basically, Rob Portman supports allowing Trump to do whatever he wants with no consequence.“

What Portman actually said.

(Portman) repeated that Trump’s actions “were wrong and inappropriate” but aren’t a crime and don’t meet the Constitution’s high bar for an impeachment conviction, when senators will vote on Wednesday afternoon. Portman also said he doesn’t favor a censure of the president as suggested by some senators because “it’s a remedy that has no impact.”
In the end, “The ultimate check and balance of our system is voters,” he said.

Yes, Larry summarized misquoted it well.

FIFY.

I didn’t misquote him, I just interpreted his bullshit.

You misquoted him.

Nothing goes over Ward's head.

His reaction time is too fast.

Ward, you are probably one of only two people here who thought that was a quote. The rest of us recognized a paraphrase.

And you have not yet admitted you were wrong when you accused me of misrepresenting the Senator a couple days ago, so you have zero cred, as usual.

[josh]

Pete in the lead,  with 62% precinct reporting.

As David Brooks said,  "Buttigieg is an old person's idea of a young candidate. "

Except that's not what WaPo has!

JOSH

DELEGATE COUNT,  NOT RAW VOTE,  is how Iowa declares winners.   Like the US electoral system,  those 2 metrics don't always line up.

In this case, it turns out, it's just that the WaPo screwed up.

[facilitatorn]

Portman is wrong about whether trump’s actions amounted to crimes, but it’s no surprise he is saying that while more evidence of those crimes pile up in his campaign coffers. Complicit Rob has got to go along with the infectious dick cheese he is defending.