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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

Too stupid even for a Trump appointee.

Really.

https://www.newsweek.com/homeland-security-deputy-secretary-cuccinelli-criticized-asking-twitter-where-find-coronavirus-1488863?fbclid=IwAR3aeQdUWuYP3v1DmjMlhOgg8tFE7jWVvoL8laVY5DkWt4WZuae4kghX6Sk

And this, from his boss!
https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1232385716463656960?s=19&fbclid=IwAR12SyiKaXXaD7x05YS9LS26jHVRcjm1ICL-PQHOjD5JgCsVesm6GeR_o4I

DHS Secretary Chad Wolf claims the mortality rate for coronavirus is similar to the flu, both at about 2%. Senator Kennedy says "are you sure of that?" and the secretary doubles down.

The mortality rate for seasonal flu is closer to 0.1%:

[REDSTATEWARD]

You can interpret the polls any you want.  But Barton argued we need a national discussion.

Nope.   I posted to Luee,  that Luee should post actual analysis rather than just flippant nonsense (Bernie equals Castro,  e. g.) so that we (Elba Forum) could have a real discussion.   As I said, red-baiting does not constitute a real analysis or argument.   Plenty of members have posted actual reasoning and evidence for some degree of socialized medicine,  with informative citations,  and then been trolled or just ignored.   Adios,  troll.

Sorry you have been left in the dark while most of America has been discussing health care.
 But to bring you up to some speed remember that a poll conducted by The Hill in October of 2018 found support at 70 per cent for some sort of Universal Health Care/Medicare For All/Single Payer.
This month the latest poll by The Hill revealed:

In a Hill-HarrisX survey, 13 percent of respondents said they would prefer a health care system that covers all citizens and doesn't allow for private plans, an approach that is sometimes referred to as "single-payer."

The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance.

Twenty-six percent of respondents said they wanted a government insurance plan offered to all citizens, but one that doesn't compel people with private plans to use it, a system sometimes called a "public option."

A small minority of 15 percent of voters said they wanted the government to completely remove itself from paying for health care, while another 14 percent said they want to Leave things as is.

[facilitatorn]

The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance.

And that in its bones is M4A. Popular, works well, and saves money.

[josh]

The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance.

And that in its bones is M4A. Popular, works well, and saves money.

And lives.

[josh]

You can interpret the polls any you want.  But Barton argued we need a national discussion.

Nope.   I posted to Luee,  that Luee should post actual analysis rather than just flippant nonsense (Bernie equals Castro,  e. g.) so that we (Elba Forum) could have a real discussion.   As I said, red-baiting does not constitute a real analysis or argument.   Plenty of members have posted actual reasoning and evidence for some degree of socialized medicine,  with informative citations,  and then been trolled or just ignored.   Adios,  troll.

Sorry you have been left in the dark while most of America has been discussing health care.
 But to bring you up to some speed remember that a poll conducted by The Hill in October of 2018 found support at 70 per cent for some sort of Universal Health Care/Medicare For All/Single Payer.

Or as I told you earlier, your position that Americans don't want the government handling their health care is just flat wrong.

You can misinterpret my comments anyway you want to. It won't change the facts that (a) you were wrong and (b) the irony was to rich for you to ever understand.

And that you need to ask what it is underscores my point.

[REDSTATEWARD]

You can interpret the polls any you want.  But Barton argued we need a national discussion.

Nope.   I posted to Luee,  that Luee should post actual analysis rather than just flippant nonsense (Bernie equals Castro,  e. g.) so that we (Elba Forum) could have a real discussion.   As I said, red-baiting does not constitute a real analysis or argument.   Plenty of members have posted actual reasoning and evidence for some degree of socialized medicine,  with informative citations,  and then been trolled or just ignored.   Adios,  troll.

Sorry you have been left in the dark while most of America has been discussing health care.
 But to bring you up to some speed remember that a poll conducted by The Hill in October of 2018 found support at 70 per cent for some sort of Universal Health Care/Medicare For All/Single Payer.

Or as I told you earlier, your position that Americans don't want the government handling their health care is just flat wrong.

Please post where and when I said that.

[josh]

So what?  Americans have no inclination to turn their Health Care over to the Government.

[luee]

No red bait on my part. Bernie praised Fidel and it has created quite a stir.

ON
Will Bernie Sanders' long-ago praise of Socialist regimes hurt Democrats in November?
If Sanders is the nominee, some Democrats worry Trump will hammer him on his long-buried words in defense of governments in Nicaragua, Cuba and the USSR.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/will-sanders-long-ago-praise-socialist-regimes-hurt-democrats-november-n1139811

[REDSTATEWARD]

So what?  Americans have no inclination to turn their Health Care over to the Government.

Which is backed by the numbers. 

In a Hill-HarrisX survey, 13 percent of respondents said they would prefer a health care system that covers all citizens and doesn't allow for private plans, an approach that is sometimes referred to as "single-payer."

The most popular option, at 32 percent, consisted of a universal, government-operated system that also would allow people to buy private, supplemental insurance.

Twenty-six percent of respondents said they wanted a government insurance plan offered to all citizens, but one that doesn't compel people with private plans to use it,a system sometimes called a "public option."

A small minority of 15 percent of voters said they wanted the government to completely remove itself from paying for health care, while another 14 percent said they want to Leave things as is.

Just 13 per cent want the government to take over health care.

[kiidcarter8]

Trump 50  Sanders 43

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/trump_thumps_sanders_in_head_to_head_matchup

[kiidcarter8]

Trump rises to 40% strong approval, tying highest mark in 3 years.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

52-47 in total approval

[Hairy Lime]

So you really think Klobey Trump beats Trump Sanders today by 57%?

Please.

[Yankguy1]

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

[REDSTATEWARD]

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

Because I didn’t. I used two polls, 18 months apart, conducted by the same organization showed that while Americans are divided on how best to offer insurance there is nothing close to wanting a government takeover of health care.

[kiidcarter8]

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

I dont

I dismiss Quinnipiac totally