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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Yankguy1]

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

Because I didn’t. I used two polls, 18 months apart, conducted by the same organization showed that while Americans are divided on how best to offer insurance there is nothing close to wanting a government takeover of health care.

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

Because I didn’t. I used two polls, 18 months apart, conducted by the same organization showed that while Americans are divided on how best to offer insurance there is nothing close to wanting a government takeover of health care.

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

Because I didn’t. I used two polls, 18 months apart, conducted by the same organization showed that while Americans are divided on how best to offer insurance there is nothing close to wanting a government takeover of health care.

My question was directed to Kiid, who proudly uses only Rasmussen.

[kiidcarter8]

Of course, there was no evidence that this particular debate stage was any candidate’s natural setting. Nor was it a win for Democrats wondering about the party’s future. There were plenty of legitimate things to argue about, and for stretches this actually occurred. But for longer stretches it didn’t. This was mostly a wasted couple hours for a party and for candidates who don’t have time to waste.




https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/debate-democrats-analysis-117655

[REDSTATEWARD]

My question was directed to Kiid, who proudly uses only Rasmussen.

I was not sure since the post you were referring to was not included.

[Yankguy1]

My fault.

[barton]

No red bait on my part. Bernie praised Fidel and it has created quite a stir.

ON
Will Bernie Sanders' long-ago praise of Socialist regimes hurt Democrats in November?
If Sanders is the nominee, some Democrats worry Trump will hammer him on his long-buried words in defense of governments in Nicaragua, Cuba and the USSR.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/will-sanders-long-ago-praise-socialist-regimes-hurt-democrats-november-n1139811

Or we just stop being stupid and realize that to praise one aspect of a government is not to praise all aspects of it.  If Sanders praises a socialist regime because they increased literacy or got litter off the streets or whatever, I don't see a problem.  The world is shades of gray, not black and white.  Castro did some good things, but he also decreased freedom and democracy, and no one has said otherwise.  I think it's more sensible to criticize Sanders on the practicality of his specific plan, than, yes, trying to assign some specious guilt by association.  I find his healthcare plan poorly conceived and impractical, but that doesn't mean I have to call him a Commie.  Respectful disagreement will get you a fair clearer mind on things than just sticking labels on them. 

[bambu.]

Men are outraged about what's happening to them these days, and are fighting back;

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/charges-against-nrl-player-josh-reynolds-dropped/ar-BB10o9mu?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000

This morning, police contacted the Wests Tigers player to tell him the charge was unsustainable.

It comes after a 9News investigation revealed Reynold's girlfriend's name, Arabella del Busso, was one of nine aliases used by Donna Preusker.

9News understands she is now being investigated by police.

[barton]

So what?  Americans have no inclination to turn their Health Care over to the Government.

It's all in the phrasing, isn't it?  If you adopt sophistry and call ANY government involvement a "turning over," then you've just clouded the issue.  If we look at the figures and can grant that most Americans are okay with some degree of government involvement in healthcare, then we can explore what that happy medium might be.  Most Americans do not want National Healthcare.  Most Americans do not want only privately-insured healthcare.  As several here pointed out, some majority would be okay with Medicare for All, provided that those preferring private insurance can keep doing that, that supplemental insurance is still in the picture, and that no one is killed off by outrageous pharmaceutical prices or tossed into some bureaucratic maze where they never see their family doctor again.  Take a deep breath, forget partisan posturing, and it's not hard to see a rational path between the extremes here.  This should truly be the World's Least Partisan Issue, because we all understand the value of our good health and how important it is to shaping our whole life and whatever we define as success.  (and, psst, it's also why Green politics is important)

[facilitatorn]

The poll Red cites shows more than 70% of respondents wanted significantly more government intervention and control of health care. People are sick of the cannibal insurance industry and the vampire republican party.

Kiid only likes the pollster who lies to him in ways that make him feel less inadequate than he does when faced with poll results with sound methodology that aren’t predesigned to do boost fascist policies and candidates.

[Driver125]

Too stupid even for a Trump appointee. Really.

Is such a thing possible?
    And while we are at it, we have to stop calling our great President a coward over those five bone spur deferments he received during the Viet Nam era. A bone spur can put anyone on the bench—even some of our greatest athletes.
    Just look at how he displayed his metal in India during the last few days. Trump had them crank up Air Force One and fly him into the heart of darkest Asia—not that far from the place where the possible pandemic is starting. He even took the brave Melania with him (designating her as Canary One). Then he waddled out into the middle of a 100,000 person crowd in the middle of a stadium to wave and smile in a place where the virus could easily be floating around just waiting for an old, out of shape host to pass by. Who could guarantee that not one of those 100,000 hadn’t ordered out for some Chinese food in the previous few days?
    And just think what must have been racing trough the famous germ-o-fobs mind every time he had to shake the hand of one of those little brown men? CORONAVIRUS!!! It probably took a supreme act of will not to make a dash for the armored limo right then and there and then to high power it back to AF1, where an unlimited amount of hot water for showers and all the Sani-wipes he might need would be available.
    Now, who could say this supreme act of bravery was not done in the name of our great country?

[REDSTATEWARD]

So what?  Americans have no inclination to turn their Health Care over to the Government.

It's all in the phrasing, isn't it?  If you adopt sophistry and call ANY government involvement a "turning over," then you've just clouded the issue. 

No. You have. The only category in the poll that queried opinions on complete government control garnered just 13 per cent approval.

[facilitatorn]

So what?  Americans have no inclination to turn their Health Care over to the Government.

It's all in the phrasing, isn't it?  If you adopt sophistry and call ANY government involvement a "turning over," then you've just clouded the issue. 

No. You have. The only category in the poll that queried opinions on complete government control garnered just 13 per cent approval.

Red is a well spun clown sucker. It’s sad watching him flail around for a data point that doesn’t directly contradict his stunted world view.

[barton]

So what?  Americans have no inclination to turn their Health Care over to the Government.

It's all in the phrasing, isn't it?  If you adopt sophistry and call ANY government involvement a "turning over," then you've just clouded the issue. 

No. You have. The only category in the poll that queried opinions on complete government control garnered just 13 per cent approval.

You just did it again.   It's you who is making the Strawman that any government involvement is "complete. "  Sophistry.   I wasn't suggesting complete control,  nor did the rest of my post (to which you failed to reply) fail to make that clear.   A majority favor PARTIAL management of the total healthcare system by government and you have no cogent reasoning (that you've bothered to express)  against that middle path.    Hence,  trolling. 

Our federal government has instituted a national pooling of resources (the basic definition of socialism) for various public benefits for over a century, a concept going back to Hamiltonian philosophy and guys like Thaddeus Stevens in the Civil War era.   Land grant colleges,  national railway network,  interstates,  aviation safety,  science research,  bank deposit security, retirement income,  crop insurance,  soil conservation,  home heating funds and food for those in poverty,  worker safety,  etc.   The value of such socialized systems is long established,  long past any serious debate,  and it's now about choosing a level and degree of management rather than giving up and going back to Jefferson's "yeoman farmer. " 

[facilitatorn]

Red feels over-managed as it is already. He’d prefer to mix dead workers in with the product, ship them off to customers, and charge for them as delivered weight. He’s stymied by the current regulatory environment though he has hope he’ll gain the freedom to do what he really wants from trump in his endless second term.

[LarryBnDC]

Why do you only rely on one poll, a poll rated a C+ in accuracy by the 538 Poll tracker?

Tells him what he wants to hear...

[bambu.]

Too stupid even for a Trump appointee. Really.

Is such a thing possible?
    And while we are at it, we have to stop calling our great President a coward over those five bone spur deferments he received during the Viet Nam era. A bone spur can put anyone on the bench—even some of our greatest athletes.
    Just look at how he displayed his metal in India during the last few days. Trump had them crank up Air Force One and fly him into the heart of darkest Asia—not that far from the place where the possible pandemic is starting. He even took the brave Melania with him (designating her as Canary One). Then he waddled out into the middle of a 100,000 person crowd in the middle of a stadium to wave and smile in a place where the virus could easily be floating around just waiting for an old, out of shape host to pass by. Who could guarantee that not one of those 100,000 hadn’t ordered out for some Chinese food in the previous few days?
    And just think what must have been racing trough the famous germ-o-fobs mind every time he had to shake the hand of one of those little brown men? CORONAVIRUS!!! It probably took a supreme act of will not to make a dash for the armored limo right then and there and then to high power it back to AF1, where an unlimited amount of hot water for showers and all the Sani-wipes he might need would be available.
    Now, who could say this supreme act of bravery was not done in the name of our great country?

Brave indeed.
I would've deferred the trip.
I'd be staying home in the White House, all tourist visits thru the said House cancelled.
The elderly are most at risk...70+ having a far greater risk of dying from it than young people.