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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28110 on: February 29, 2020, 11:28:04 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/28/coronavirus-donald-trump-truth-president



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Donald Trump’s assault on facts, experts and science – is now a matter of life and death.

So while US medical officials have been at pains to brace Americans for the inevitability of coronavirus – a matter of when, not if – Trump and his outriders have worked hard to minimise the threat. On Thursday, Trump repeatedly referred to the figure of “15” cases in the US, when the actual figure was 60, and promised that that number would go down rather than up: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

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....Trump spoke in the White House briefing room, brazenly contradicting the experts by his side. But it’s now become formal policy, with Trump’s insistence that all federal officials – including those with deep scientific expertise – are to say nothing that has not first been authorised by the White House.

Note the fate of Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. On Thursday he dared say that “we are dealing with a serious virus” with a higher mortality rate than regular flu. That was deemed insufficiently upbeat for the great leader. According to the New York Times, “Dr Fauci has told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance.”

The new mantra, it seems, is to be one of Trump’s favourite phrases: repeated again on Thursday: “Nobody really knows.” That could be the motto of post-truthists such as Trump, conveying the hope that voters will become confused, concluding that no truth is ever even possible, and that in the fog of information and rumour it’s best simply to trust the man in charge. That’s what Trump wants every American to believe, about coronavirus and everything else for that matter: nobody really knows.   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28111 on: February 29, 2020, 12:59:55 PM »

Can he fuck up this administration any more than he has?

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-coronavirus-covid19-response-expertise-contempt.html

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-tweet-slamming-obama-appointing-ebola-czar-zero-experience-resurfaces-after-pence-1489528

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Mike is really good at it, they're going to work very closely together and are both in the administration."

Hope.  Yes.  So, so true.  But HATE from the left hasn't allowed it.

From reality

Bullshit and more bullshit.

The history of Pence's time in Indiana indicates that when Governor Pence had a chance to save lives because of an epidemic he failed miserably.

And the HATE is Trump's for Obama. If Trump wanted Obama's advice, he had only to call Obama and ask for it.

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The two men had never spoken before Obama called to congratulate Trump on Election Night 2016. They met a few times during the transition, and except for a brief handshake at George H. W. Bush’s funeral last year, they haven’t spoken since Inauguration Day 2017.

Nothing prevented or prevents Trump from seeking Obama's input on anything. If the left hates Trump and Trump uses that as his reason for not reaching out, that is about Trump, not about the left. President Trump is responsible for his choices, Kid, just as you are responsible for yours.

If you wish to argue that he is not responsible for his own choices and decisions, then you are arguing that he is not competent to serve as president. I am willing to entertain that argument, but he should then be removed from office, being too incompetent to remove himself.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28112 on: February 29, 2020, 01:14:45 PM »

Can he fuck up this administration any more than he has?

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-coronavirus-covid19-response-expertise-contempt.html

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-tweet-slamming-obama-appointing-ebola-czar-zero-experience-resurfaces-after-pence-1489528

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Mike is really good at it, they're going to work very closely together and are both in the administration. I see them all the time so it really works. This isn't a 'czar'. This isn't going out and getting somebody that's never been in the administration. I have two people that are very talented and it's something I feel good about," Trump said.

The president highlighted Pence's experience as governor of Indiana when he dealt with an HIV outbreak in 2015, saying, "Anybody that knows anything about health care, they look at the Indiana model and it's been a very great success. It's been a tremendous model in terms of health care."



Very great?  Jed Bartlett would correct you on that one, Mr Trump


Now - this....

On How Hey, It Might Not Be That Bad: In a debate with his Republican opponent, Robert Ritchie, Bartlet ignites his podium with soaring rhetoric about how it’s his job to fight for all Americans. If there’s a silver lining here, we might have seen it Thursday, when Trump met with Obama. The meeting went better than anyone could reasonably expect, after such an acrimonious election season. They were only supposed to speak for 10 minutes, but ended up talking for about an hour and a half. Trump specifically said that he hoped that Obama would counsel him “many, many more times.” And then, under his breath, Trump said, “Very good man. Very good man.” Hope may not leave the White House with Obama, after all.



Hope.  Yes.  So, so true.  But HATE from the left hasn't allowed it.

This is a stupid take. Even for you.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28113 on: February 29, 2020, 01:24:03 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/1055379698195340/

Trump's aggressive ignorance is so bad for America, Kid's protestations notwithstanding.

He cannot admit ignorance, even when he says he doesn't know. He just makes shit up. Then he defends the made up shit.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28114 on: February 29, 2020, 05:20:18 PM »

Can he fuck up this administration any more than he has?

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-coronavirus-covid19-response-expertise-contempt.html

https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-tweet-slamming-obama-appointing-ebola-czar-zero-experience-resurfaces-after-pence-1489528

From the piece

Mike is really good at it, they're going to work very closely together and are both in the administration. I see them all the time so it really works. This isn't a 'czar'. This isn't going out and getting somebody that's never been in the administration. I have two people that are very talented and it's something I feel good about," Trump said.

The president highlighted Pence's experience as governor of Indiana when he dealt with an HIV outbreak in 2015, saying, "Anybody that knows anything about health care, they look at the Indiana model and it's been a very great success. It's been a tremendous model in terms of health care."


That is almost diametrically opposite from the truth. Pence's handling of the HIV outbreak in Indiana made it substantially worse.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #28115 on: February 29, 2020, 08:01:26 PM »

He’s an upright godly member of the republican party in good standing, like these guys

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1923067
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« Reply #28116 on: February 29, 2020, 08:48:46 PM »

Looks like Biden has won his first state in 3 tries. Yeah, yeah, he pulled out before any events in 1988 and after Iowa in 2008. Still, first win.

And first candidate to take 50% in a state, if early returns are to be believed, with 30% of the votes in.
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« Reply #28117 on: February 29, 2020, 09:03:40 PM »

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« Reply #28118 on: February 29, 2020, 09:08:04 PM »

70 former U.S. senators: The Senate is failing to perform its constitutional duties

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The following signers are all former U.S. senators: Dean Barkley (I-Minn.), Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Mark Begich (D-Alaska), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), David Boren (D-Okla.), Bill Bradley (D-N.J.), Bill Brock (R-Tenn.), Hank Brown (R-Colo.), Richard Bryan (D-Nev.), James Buckley (R-N.Y.), Roland Burris (D-Ill.), Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), Jean Carnahan (D-Mo.), Max Cleland (D-Ga.), William Cohen (R-Maine), Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), Jon Corzine (D-N.J.), Jack Danforth (R-Mo.), Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), Mark Dayton (D-Minn.), Dennis DeConcini (D-Ariz.), Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.), Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), David Durenberger (R-Minn.), Daniel Evans (R-Wash.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Wyche Fowler (D-Ga.), Slade Gorton (R-Wash.), Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Gary Hart (D-Colo.), Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Gordon Humphrey (I-N.H.), Tim Johnson (D-S.D.), Bennett Johnston (D-La.), Ted Kaufman (D-Del.), Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), John Kerry (D-Mass.), Paul Kirk (D-Mass.), Robert Krueger (D-Tex.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), Carol Moseley Braun (D-Ill.), Frank Murkowski (R-Alaska), Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), Bob Packwood (R-Ore.), Larry Pressler (R-S.D.), David Pryor (D-Ark.), Mark Pryor (D-Ark.), Donald Riegle (D-Mich.), Chuck Robb (D-Va.), Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), Jim Sasser (D-Tenn.), Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.), Gordon Smith (R-Ore.), Olympia Snowe (R-Maine), Bob Torricelli (D-N.J.), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), John Walsh (D-Mont.), John Warner (R-Va.), Lowell Weicker (I-Conn.), and Tim Wirth (D-Colo.).

An open letter to the U.S. Senate:

Congress is not fulfilling its constitutional duties. Much of the responsibility rests on the Senate. We are writing to encourage the creation of a bipartisan caucus of incumbent senators who would be committed to making the Senate function as the Framers of the Constitution intended.

As their first priority, the Framers explicitly entrusted all legislative responsibility in Article I of the Constitution: “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.” To the extent that Congress doesn’t function as the Framers intended, policymaking is left to the less democratic executive and judicial branches.

Examples of Congress ceding its powers to the executive through the years include the power to regulate international trade, the power to authorize the use of military force in foreign conflicts and, when the president declares national emergencies, the power of the purse. In addition, the partisan gridlock that is all too routine in recent decades has led the executive branch to effectively “legislate” on its own terms through executive order and administrative regulation. The Senate’s abdication of its legislative and oversight responsibilities erodes the checks and balances of the separate powers that are designed to protect the liberties on which our democracy depends.

Anecdotally, we have been told by sitting members that the diminished state of the Senate has left them doubting whether there is any point in continuing to serve, and it has caused potential candidates to question whether the reality of Senate membership is worth the considerable effort and expense of running for office.

We do not want to give the impression that we served in some golden age when the Senate operated like clockwork and its members embraced one another as one big happy family. Of course, that was never the case. Senators have always advanced strongly held positions and have vigorously engaged in legislative combat. All of us have vivid memories of tense times with difficult colleagues. But that is just the point. By design, the Senate is the place where Americans with all their competing interests and ideologies are represented and where champions of those positions attempt to advance their causes and work through their differences. Many call the legislative process “sausage making.” That is a fair assessment. Legislating is often messy, but it is America’s way of holding together a diverse nation.

Our concern is that the legislative process is no longer working in the Senate. Several factors may be cited: Senate committees have lost responsibility for writing legislation. Rules allowing extended debate, a feature of the Senate that is essential to protecting the rights of minorities, have been abused as the filibuster and cloture have shut down action on the Senate floor. It is now commonly said that it takes 60 votes to pass anything in the Senate. This is new and obstructionist; it takes 60 votes to invoke cloture in the once relatively exceptional event of a filibuster. Filibusters are now threatened as a matter of course, and are too readily acceded to. Neither in committee nor on the floor do rank-and-file members have reasonable opportunities to advance their positions by voting on legislation.

We believe a bipartisan caucus of incumbent members that promotes a fair opportunity for senators to participate in meaningful committee work as well as on the Senate floor could help restore the Senate to its essential place in our constitutional system. Its members would need to stand firm in the face of what could be strong opposition from partisans who prefer politicians who take intransigent positions over those who champion a legislative process that celebrates compromise.

This does not have to be viewed as a judgment on today’s Senate leadership; instead, it’s a bipartisan act of shared responsibility and accountability for how we arrived at this point. We, who once held the office you now hold and who are confident that service in the U.S. Senate is as high a calling for you as it was for us, will stand up for you against any partisan opposition. We will do so publicly and repeatedly in whatever available forums. And we are convinced that many ordinary Americans will stand up for you as well, as they share our concern for the state of our government.

We know that accepting this challenge may put some of you at political risk. But we are also confident that each of you chose to serve in public life to advance the cause of a “more perfect union.” Our hope is that all of you will accept this challenge to advance that timeless and higher purpose. The Senate — and the proper functioning of our republic — are simply too important to be allowed to continue on their present course.
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« Reply #28120 on: February 29, 2020, 09:44:18 PM »

Goodbye, Tom Steyer.

Next?!
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« Reply #28122 on: February 29, 2020, 10:55:33 PM »

Kid's so busy praising Great Leader Comrade Donald J. Trump  for his masterful leadership on the novel coronvirus, while GLC DJT insists the severity of the virus is a Democratic and Media hoax.

My response:
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« Reply #28123 on: February 29, 2020, 11:04:09 PM »

The history of Pence's time in Indiana indicates that when Governor Pence had a chance to save lives because of an epidemic he failed miserably.


You are an idiot - and worse yet - one with very little original thought.
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« Reply #28124 on: February 29, 2020, 11:05:54 PM »

West Wing!!!
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