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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

Three questions to watch:
1. Will we begin to see quarantines imposed by federal or state leaders?
2. How will federal resources be deployed to assist in state and local efforts to combat coronavirus?
3. How extensively will coronavirus disrupt our normal civic functioning including courts and elections?


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opinions/supreme-court-coronavirus-postponed-opinion-cross-exam-honig/index.html

1. The Federal Government has no Constitutional Power to impose a National Quarantine
2. The Federal Government can assist in many ways states that impose quarantines.
3.  The Courts are already affected. Ohio ( for example)is barring any in person voting in its Primary before Election  Day.

1. You are mistaken, Ward.

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. ... The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
That's from the CDC.

2. Distribution of tests would be a good start. The President has made it clear that states should not expect help on respirator and ventilator shortages.

3. Ward's statements are both true, but the so-called example is not an example concerning the courts. Courts in multiple states have already postponed all sorts of trials. And Ohio is the 3rd state to postpone primaries.

[luee]

So mankind has to survive as best it can for about a year until vaccine is made?

Luee, the first pass at a vaccine was given to the first human today. If it works, then there is a chance we will get one in a year, but closer to 18 months is still more likely, no matter how we rush it.

There are companies and governments all over the world and I suppose one of them might announce one before that, but the scientific community is going to be pretty skeptical that all the Ts were crossed and all the Is were dotted.

You have super programs and computers, each day saved saves hundreds of lives. Rush it through.

[kiidcarter8]

Oh - and...


Our government has broad power to order and enforce quarantines. The federal government, acting through the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), has authority to order quarantines as necessary "to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases." Using this quarantine power, HHS can order isolation of specific individuals, or can impose large-scale quarantines. The latter happens very rarely; the last mass-scale federal quarantine happened over a century ago, during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919. All 50 states also have laws enabling governors or other officials to order quarantines.



I'll certainly read any facts you have rebutting this - thanks in advance.

[josh]

So mankind has to survive as best it can for about a year until vaccine is made?

Luee, the first pass at a vaccine was given to the first human today. If it works, then there is a chance we will get one in a year, but closer to 18 months is still more likely, no matter how we rush it.

There are companies and governments all over the world and I suppose one of them might announce one before that, but the scientific community is going to be pretty skeptical that all the Ts were crossed and all the Is were dotted.

You have super programs and computers, each day saved saves hundreds of lives. Rush it through.

All the super computers in the world don't help replace human trials, Luee.

And we used to rush things through.

Does the name "thalidomide" mean anything to you?

[REDSTATEWARD]

[
1. You are mistaken, Ward.

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. ... The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
That's from the CDC.

You forgot to read all of your hasty Google search.


Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases. As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry

To repeat. The Federal Government has the power to quarantine people coming to America and those going state to state. It has no Constitutional power to quarantine the Entire country. The Federal Government can support the states’ decisions to quarantine.
 

[josh]

Another example:
Los Angeles County Sheriff releases inmates early due to coronavirus concerns

[REDSTATEWARD]

Oh - and...


Our government has broad power to order and enforce quarantines. The federal government, acting through the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), has authority to order quarantines as necessary "to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases." Using this quarantine power, HHS can order isolation of specific individuals, or can impose large-scale quarantines. The latter happens very rarely; the last mass-scale federal quarantine happened over a century ago, during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919. All 50 states also have laws enabling governors or other officials to order quarantines.



I'll certainly read any facts you have rebutting this - thanks in advance.

Already done.
Appeciatr the thanks.

[kiidcarter8]

Another theory holds that the 1918 virus mutated extremely rapidly to a less lethal strain. This is a common occurrence with influenza viruses: there is a tendency for pathogenic viruses to become less lethal with time, as the hosts of more dangerous strains tend to die out[11] (see also "Deadly Second Wave", above).



Hope in some places

[josh]

[
1. You are mistaken, Ward.

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. ... The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
That's from the CDC.

You forgot to read all of your hasty Google search.


Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases. As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry

To repeat. The Federal Government has the power to quarantine people coming to America and those going state to state. It has no Constitutional power to quarantine the Entire country. The Federal Government can support the states’ decisions to quarantine.

You cannot read or understand what you read. I don't know which it is.

They can lock down the borders between states, officially. That's what the words you posted say. They could, for example, quarantine New Hampshire. But they could also quarantine every state. And they could do the same with internal flights, not just international flight.

[josh]

Another theory holds that the 1918 virus mutated extremely rapidly to a less lethal strain. This is a common occurrence with influenza viruses: there is a tendency for pathogenic viruses to become less lethal with time, as the hosts of more dangerous strains tend to die out[11] (see also "Deadly Second Wave", above).



Hope in some places

Of course, this is not an influenza virus. It's a coronavirus.

[REDSTATEWARD]

[
1. You are mistaken, Ward.

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution. ... The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
That's from the CDC.

You forgot to read all of your hasty Google search.


Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases. As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry

To repeat. The Federal Government has the power to quarantine people coming to America and those going state to state. It has no Constitutional power to quarantine the Entire country. The Federal Government can support the states’ decisions to quarantine.

You cannot read or understand what you read. I don't know which it is.

They can lock down the borders between states, officially. That's what the words you posted say. They could, for example, quarantine New Hampshire. But they could also quarantine every state. And they could do the same with internal flights, not just international flight.

The Federal Government cannot lockdown( quarantine) the entire country.Keep reading. Sooner or later you’ll get it.

[kiidcarter8]

1. Will we begin to see quarantines imposed by federal or state leaders?


This entire discussion started with this simple question.  Why didnt you comment on the state part of it?

[josh]

1. Will we begin to see quarantines imposed by federal or state leaders?


This entire discussion started with this simple question.  Why didnt you comment on the state part of it?

We've already seen one instance of that sort. That's why, for me. I can't speak for Ward.

My hope is that we will not have cause to see more.

[REDSTATEWARD]

1. Will we begin to see quarantines imposed by federal or state leaders?


This entire discussion started with this simple question.  Why didnt you comment on the state part of it?

We've already seen one instance of that sort. That's why, for me. I can't speak for Ward.

My hope is that we will not have cause to see more.

Whatever that is supposed to mean.

[josh]

The Department of (In)Justice lets the Russians off the hook, again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-justice-dept-abandons-prosecution-of-russian-firm-indicted-in-mueller-election-interference-probe/2020/03/16/5f7c3fd6-64a9-11ea-912d-d98032ec8e25_story.html?fbclid=IwAR2PHM1PVs6hkM8fmGQKzyT0hDC7UOjOthLKzIiW5mslnZdgFMYeYTdei2I