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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29280 on: March 19, 2020, 10:22:39 AM »

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-coronavirus-pandemic-china-hid-truth

Due to the structure of a lot of Chinese society,  and the physical proximity to live food animals,  as well as the blend of domesticated and wild species,  most pandemic  viruses for the past century have originated in China and adjacent nations.   AFAICT this has been commonly known by infectious disease scientists for quite a long time.   I can't speak for others here,  but I'm not an apologist for China's recent tendency to cover up and suppress sharing of vital information on outbreaks of new viral strains.   It's certainly not racist to hold that nation accountable for withholding information  or trolling other countries.   
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29281 on: March 19, 2020, 10:26:26 AM »

Schumer on Morning Joe making sure Americans' way of life doesn't change much

Sick.

It's a national crisis, Chuck!  Inconvenience shouldn't be seen as a fucking burden.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29282 on: March 19, 2020, 10:28:23 AM »

"Who is advising (Trump)?  Is it Jared?  Is it Ivanka?"

- Mika


Watch a fucking press conference, you woeful cow.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29283 on: March 19, 2020, 10:29:00 AM »

".....6-8 weeks - we should be through the worst of it"


-  Doctor Mehmet Oz

Infotainment TV doctors are the best source!

We'll see
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« Reply #29284 on: March 19, 2020, 10:53:28 AM »

On March 7, FDA Commissioner Stephen M. Hahn stressed the importance of quality, noting that diagnostic tests in some other countries have been flawed. He did not specify which countries he meant, but China’s test may have produced lots of false positives, according to a recent publication by Chinese researchers.

“What’s important here is that we have a test that the American people can trust,” Hahn said.



I agree.  Hope you all do as well.
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« Reply #29285 on: March 19, 2020, 10:59:48 AM »

For those seeking some time frame and assurance.
Here's the experience of Shanghai, the little town I call home.

SH Summary:  2 month lockdown; 3-4 week expected easing and return to normal

Roughly a 7 week long voluntary lockdown, which is starting to ease up now, with  more gathering spots, more people going to the office, etc.  Things haven't returned to normal in Week 8 -- schools still closed, half the folks working form home, probably 2/3rds of small shops closed -- but are trending that way.  I expect a roughly 3-4 week easing period, while making sure there isn't a 2nd wave of cases, or any outbreaks in or around Shanghai/China. 

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To give you the timeframe in Shanghai.  The scope and spread of the virus form Wuhan to all of Hubei Province occurred mostly in late Dec and early- mid-Jan.  Concerns about the virus really kicked in during the week of Chinese New Year, which sees an annual mass migration of roughly the population of the US (335M) moving throughout China.  Which was obviously dangerous for spreading the virus nationwide (and beyond)

CNY was officially scheduled from FRI Jan 24 - Jan 30.  In SH, the govt extended the holiday a full week to avoid a returning crush -- as most people in Shanghai have family in other provinces and SH largely empties out during CNY.  So SH's holiday closures went on for two weeks until Feb 9.  Generally most things in SH close during the holiday anyway (think the week between XMAS and New Year's in the West).  SH is usually a ghost town during the week of CNY.

So that's two weeks of holiday lockdown.  During that time, the city gov't started restricting shops and all gathering places closed down (schools, theaters, gyms, etc).  About half the restaurants stayed open.  Food stores, drug stores and essential services such as banks, buses, subways stayed open.

This was followed by a 3 week FEB voluntary lockdown.  The Feb 10 return to work  primarily meant folks worked from home as much as possible.  Everybody wore masks in public.  Food stores and office buildings did a digital temp check before allowing anyone in anywhere.  Guards were posted at community alley entrances and at apt building entrances, checking temps, recording outsiders who came and went in case contact tracing became necessary.   

I managed to fit in a 2 week Euro vacation to the Mediterranean from Feb 19 - March 3.  Late Feb and early March saw more folks returning to offices, but still lots of folks working from home (including teachers).

This week, starting gradually from Mon March 16 saw a decided easing, with more shops open (say 1/3), more people on the street (masked), more going to offices.  The pet market reopened this week, some basketball gyms, including hoops in the park reopened as well, midweek -- Tuesday or Wednesday.

So basically Shanghai experienced a pretty strong voluntary lockdown for 7 weeks.  There was a week before CNY when folks started wearing masks and precautions were getting in place.  And schools are closedstill , large gatherings are out, but things are starting to return towards normal in Week 8. 

Shanghai has officially tallied 357 cases and 4 deaths over the last 10 weeks.  The Hubei outbreak is something akin to a huge Kansas/Missouri (if they had a population of 60M), with Shanghai perched along the eastern seaboard where WASH DC is.  Though in terms of the economy and domestic tourism, SH is much more akin to NYC.

A lot of factors can go into this, but Shanghai experience a 7 week voluntary lockdown, with a lot of precautions and checks.  I expect things will gradually trend to normal over the next 4 weeks.  Depending of course on new cases or any outbreaks.  People and the gov't still vigilant, but more people out, more places open, and fewer temp checks, etc.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #29286 on: March 19, 2020, 11:01:42 AM »

China had to get a test together with great urgency and under a lot of pressure.  Not really comparable to the 6+ weeks the US and Europe had but largely frittered away.
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« Reply #29287 on: March 19, 2020, 11:02:09 AM »

".....6-8 weeks - we should be through the worst of it"


-  Doctor Mehmet Oz

And this is a part of why your posts are met with hostility.

Dr. Oz is to medicine what Dr. Phil is to psychology.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-dr-oz-claims-fact-check-bmj-20141219-story.html
Real doctors fact check Dr. Oz. The results are not pretty.

You'd do better to put your faith in Gil Fulbright's political career.
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« Reply #29289 on: March 19, 2020, 11:10:59 AM »

One anti-viral combo therapy didn't pan out for SARS Covid-2:

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A pill containing two HIV drugs that was touted as a potential treatment for the novel coronavirus was not effective, according to a study released late on Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

A test in Chinese patients with severe COVID-19 disease found the 99 who received AbbVie Inc's Kaletra, a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir, fared no better than the 100 who received standard care.

https://news.trust.org/item/20200318231107-sqloz

these were patients with pneumonia, so it's possible the drug cocktail might help those less affected (but also less in need of drugs).
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« Reply #29290 on: March 19, 2020, 11:23:38 AM »

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« Reply #29291 on: March 19, 2020, 11:25:52 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/18/elections-have-consequences-slow-response-virus-is-one-them/?fbclid=IwAR1DbPEipT07yQmd3VsUy0Z-r_p3DxfyfW3g9K_kEotOnGYlcJhpoKI1zEA

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Stuart Stevens is a writer and Republican political consultant who has advised a pro-Bill Weld super PAC in the 2020 election. His book about the Republican Party, “It Was All A Lie,” will be published next month.

Don’t just blame President Trump. Blame me — and all the other Republicans who aided and abetted and, yes, benefited from protecting a political party that has become dangerous to America. Some of us knew better.

But we built this moment. And then we looked the other way.

Many of us heard a warning sound we chose to ignore, like that rattle in your car you hear but figure will go away. Now we’re broken down, with plenty of time to think about what should have been done.

The failures of the government’s response to the coronavirus crisis can be traced directly to some of the toxic fantasies now dear to the Republican Party. Here are a few: Government is bad. Establishment experts are overrated or just plain wrong. Science is suspect. And we can go it alone, the world be damned.

All of these are wrong, of course. But we didn’t get here overnight. It took practice.

Long before Trump, the Republican Party adopted as a key article of faith that more government was bad. We worked overtime to squeeze it and shrink it, to drown it in the bathtub, as anti-tax activist Grover Norquist liked to say. But somewhere along the way, it became, “all government is bad.” Now we are in a crisis that can be solved only by massive government intervention. That’s awkward.

It continues in that vein.

So, you're right, Kid - we should blame folks other than Trump.

We should blame YOU.
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« Reply #29293 on: March 19, 2020, 11:51:16 AM »

Never understand why the Dems allow the GOP to run down the gov't so much.  They claim they love the Constitution, but not the federal government it set up.  Just what do they think the Constitution was constituting? 

Sometimes a mini-civics lesson is in order, to explain that the US Gov't is the embodiment of the American people and serves to protect their health, safety and welfare.  That the gov't provides all sorts of essential services (including funneling money from wealthier coastal states to poorer more backwards rural states) that help people live longer, healthier, more productive lives.

And the party that believes gov't is the problem shouldn't be allowed to run the gov't because they will naturally fuck it up by removing oversight and regulation and slashing necessary budgets.
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« Reply #29294 on: March 19, 2020, 11:59:31 AM »

Another example of why blaming the GOP's other elected officials is appropriate:

https://www.axios.com/richard-burr-coronavirus-spanish-flu-pandemic-a2ac929a-4101-4c75-a863-14d8c7644dd9.html

He isn't working for the American people. He isn't working for the rank and file of the GOP. He's working for "a small group of well-connected individuals."

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The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee warned a small group of well-connected constituents three weeks ago to prepare for dire economic and societal effects of the coronavirus, according to a secret recording obtained by NPR.

The remarks from U.S. Sen. Richard Burr were more stark than any he had delivered in more public forums.

On Feb. 27, when the United States had 15 confirmed cases of COVID-19, President Trump was tamping down fears and suggesting the virus could be seasonal.

"It's going to disappear. One day, It's like a miracle. It will disappear," the president said then, before adding, "it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We'll see what happens."

On that same day, Burr attended a luncheon held at a social club called the Capitol Hill Club. And he delivered a much more alarming message.

"There's one thing that I can tell you about this: It is much more aggressive in its transmission than anything that we have seen in recent history," he said, according to a secret recording of the remarks obtained by NPR. "It is probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic."

The luncheon had been organized by the Tar Heel Circle, a nonpartisan group whose membership consists of businesses and organizations in North Carolina, the state Burr represents. Membership to join the Tar Heel Circle costs between $500 and $10,000, and promises that members "enjoy interaction with top leaders and staff from Congress, the administration, and the private sector," according to the group's website.
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