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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29670 on: March 23, 2020, 11:14:22 PM »

Imagine what a crap-loaded bill we would have gotten if the GOP still controlled the House.  Nancy is shrewd and tough.  Doing a great job.
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« Reply #29671 on: March 23, 2020, 11:21:14 PM »

Its not about his use of chloroquine.  Its chugging it that likely killed him.

You are STILL not a doctor and STILL have no FUCKING clue.

It might or might not have been about the chloroquine, Kid.

It could have affected his heart rhythm. It could have induced a renal failure. It could have just been his chugging it.

But it is almost certainly from taking it on his own without a doctor's supervision, i.e. his use of the chloroquine. And his wife's, too.

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« Reply #29672 on: March 23, 2020, 11:32:54 PM »

UC Irvine researchers to test former Ebola drug in coronavirus clinical trial

https://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2020/03/23/uc-irvine-researchers-to-test-former-ebola-drug-in.html

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Our research hospitals all over the world are called upon now to save the world.

And California has some great research hospitals.

We need to all work together, and doctors need to share information.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29673 on: March 23, 2020, 11:46:38 PM »

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« Reply #29674 on: March 23, 2020, 11:52:13 PM »

“Neither the ‘NBC Nightly News’ nor ABC’s ‘World News Tonight’ bothered to mention China’s past deceptiveness on SARS, and CBS never re-visited the issue,” Noyes wrote.

It's fair to mention the SARS episode. But if that's used just to China bash or claim China is being all deceptive now, it's pretty shallow and worthless.

I doubt anyone really wants a China analysis providing context, but here goes:

Back in 2003, there was a different leadership in China and China was more insular and more defensive.  Somewhat like Trump today, China was worried about taking an economic hit and image was everything.  So yeah, they did things like hide SARS patients when WHO visited, including driving some around Beijing in ambulances until those intl health folks left.  When that news came out, they were embarrassed.  And the PR mistake was obvious, along with the notion that you can hide such things.

Don't think China hasn't learned some lessons from the SARS outbreak, its shoddy PR handling and the hit to its int'l image.  The immediate discussion in China was what lessons had they learned from SARS and their poor handling of some aspects. 

Then as now, China was undergoing a crackdown (Falun Gong then, far western Muslims today) which made its first reaction to be to smack down anyone with bad news.  Its a more powerful and authoritarian leadership today, and they still don't like info that makes the gov't look bad.  But China is much more international now (the 2008 Olympics were essentially China's coming out party), more invested overseas, wealthier and more confident.

Once the gov't realized what was going on and the extent of the problem, China has been pretty open about what is going on.  They mostly refused outside help, partly because China is wealthy enough to handle things but also to limit criticism and second-guessing.  Now the citizens don't actually trust gov't info, but the gov't realized that its handling of the virus was crucial, not least because most of its credibility relies on the economy being good and social stability being maintained. 

The gov't has gone out of its way to make info about the virus (not just in China but all over the world, to show its not just a China problem).  But the breakdowns on New Cases, Suspected Cases, Total Cases, Cured, and Deaths has been updated daily, and broken down by province, major city and Hubei province in detail.  This is all available on Wechat, a chatting/payment/everything app that most Chinese have.  A lot better than the junk the CDC has made available on their website.


Restrictive measures in China have varied by city, province, and level of outbreak.  But I've been impressed with Shanghai's measures and implementation.  For instance, I'm heading to the hospital this afternoon to catch up with my doctor friends.  To enter the hospital grounds, I needed to verify my ID on my phone, which provided my with a special green QR code that the guards will scan.  So they will know who I am and at what time I entered the hospital.  If I come down with the virus or anyone else does during that time period, they'll contact trace and test me. 

While i'm there, I'll get more info on who can get tested, and how long they have to wait to get the test and for the results.

I have trouble thinking what other measures Shanghai could adopt.  The  only thing I notice was the airport could have been handled better.  Passengers crowd at a small table to fill out health forms.  Everyone wearing masks, but still unnecessary close contact.  Forms could have been passed out on the plane.  And there should have been more desks, tables, writing areas.  Also I would space people out in groups of 10, instead of the whole planeload packing in together. 

And on the plane, everyone wears masks until meals are served.  I would advocate serving every other row.  So every other row would still have masks on.  Then go back and feed up the other half.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29675 on: March 23, 2020, 11:58:35 PM »

Hope it's just more Trump bluster.  Because a 15 day lockdown is likely to be useless.  A month at minimum.  The economy can rebound, dead people usually don't.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #29676 on: March 24, 2020, 12:03:22 AM »

To answer Josh's question from the other day, China claims almost all new cases have been imported from abroad.

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China’s National Health Commission on Tuesday reported 78 new COVID-19 cases, among which 74 were imported.

That's 4 new domestic cases.  the other day it was 1 new domestic case (and something like 30 import cases).



Doesn't seem to be any test shortage in China:

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All individuals arriving in China’s capital from overseas must take a COVID-19 test, in addition to being quarantined for 14 days, starting Wednesday, the Beijing municipal government announced.  Beijing authorities said those who have entered the city within the last 14 days also will undergo mandatory testing.



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« Reply #29677 on: March 24, 2020, 12:04:02 AM »

Hope it's just more Trump bluster.  Because a 15 day lockdown is likely to be useless.  A month at minimum.  The economy can rebound, dead people usually don't.

But he's losing money with his clubs closed!
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« Reply #29678 on: March 24, 2020, 12:06:13 AM »

To answer Josh's question from the other day, China claims almost all new cases have been imported from abroad.

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China’s National Health Commission on Tuesday reported 78 new COVID-19 cases, among which 74 were imported.

That's 4 new domestic cases.  the other day it was 1 new domestic case (and something like 30 import cases).

In that case, every day for almost a week, they have had an increase in the number of imported cases compared to the day before.

Doesn't that seem odd to you?
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« Reply #29679 on: March 24, 2020, 12:14:42 AM »

But it is almost certainly from taking it on his own without a doctor's supervision, i.e. his use of the chloroquine. And his wife's, too.


YESSS!

Is anyone else doing so?
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« Reply #29680 on: March 24, 2020, 12:26:50 AM »

In that case, every day for almost a week, they have had an increase in the number of imported cases compared to the day before.
Doesn't that seem odd to you?

Not really.
They probably have been screening and testing arrivals more, so finding more cases.  And now they are going to test every arrival, so likely will find more.

Also, with the virus subsiding in China and spreading elsewhere, likely more Chinese (and others) are returning to China the last week or two, as China suddenly looks safe(r) than many places.  Especially folks who put off their return after Chinese New Year due to the virus.
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« Reply #29681 on: March 24, 2020, 01:04:14 AM »

But it is almost certainly from taking it on his own without a doctor's supervision, i.e. his use of the chloroquine. And his wife's, too.


YESSS!

Is anyone else doing so?

It’s in all the Kool-aid at Mar Lago and you can get an excessively fatal dose along with a stupid red hat at trump2020.ripoff.com
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« Reply #29682 on: March 24, 2020, 04:17:18 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52010304

Coronavirus: Pandemic is 'accelerating', WHO warns as cases pass 300,000

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It took 67 days from the first reported of Covid-19 to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for the second 100,000, and just four days for the third 100,000.

It's looking like 2 days for the fourth 100,000.
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« Reply #29683 on: March 24, 2020, 04:27:28 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52010304

Coronavirus: Pandemic is 'accelerating', WHO warns as cases pass 300,000

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It took 67 days from the first reported of Covid-19 to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for the second 100,000, and just four days for the third 100,000.

It's looking like 2 days for the fourth 100,000.

But they prayed on it and are now reopening Liberty University, bless their little hearts.
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« Reply #29684 on: March 24, 2020, 09:16:35 AM »

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