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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[REDSTATEWARD]

We do have a substantial lead in critical care and ICU neds per capita. It's something like 50% ahead of the nearest other countries.

But among the factors involved are these:

First are distinct differences in patient populations. Data comparing middle-aged Americans with a similar population in the United Kingdom demonstrated a higher burden of chronic illnesses among the American cohort –double the rate of diabetes and a third higher rate of hypertension. Such comparisons are essential to understanding the relative healthcare needs of populations. Frequency of interventions and surgical procedures may also impact the need for intensive care. For example, patients who receive a liver transplant will require a stay in an ICU. This need for intensive care is, therefore, driven not solely by disease, but also by management choices. An older study comparing admissions to intensive care in Alberta (Canada) and western Massachusetts (US) found that ICU days per million population were two to three times higher in western Massachusetts, primarily due to a higher ICU incidence (i.e. percent of hospitalized patients treated in the ICU). This discrepancy was driven by all of the factors described above.

And in addition to having 50% more beds than Canada, they cost 85% more per bed.

(figures used are 2012. It is likely worse since then.)

Sourceless information.

[REDSTATEWARD]

COLUMBUS, Ohio – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Columbus-based Battelle’s system that can decontaminate thousands of masks a day, according to a statement from the company.
Battelle on Sunday night said that the approval is for the use of the technology at “full capacity.”

According to a press release sent Sunday night from Battelle, the company’s CCDS Critical Care Decontamination System is now operating at Battelle’s West Jefferson, Ohio, facility.
The facility is capable of decontaminating up to 80,000 respirator masks per system each day using concentrated, vapor phase hydrogen peroxide.
According to a Sunday night statement from Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's office, Battelle intends to send one machine to New York City and one to Stony Brook, New York. Machines will also be dispatched to the state of Washington.
Earlier Sunday, the FDA only approved limited use of the technology at 10,000 surgical masks in the state a day, which was met by criticism from DeWine.
In a press conference on Sunday, DeWine said President Donald Trump assured him that the approval would be handled quickly.
According to Battelle, the respirator masks are exposed to the validated concentration level for 2.5 hours to decontaminate biological contaminates, including COVID-19. The system can decontaminate the same respirator mask up to 20 times without degrading the mask’s performance.
“I want to thank the FDA team for their professionalism and help in authorizing the use of our technology at this critical moment for our nation,” said Lou Von Thaer, President and CEO of Battelle in a statement. “Everybody who has worked on this project shares the same goal of protecting first responders and healthcare workers who are at the front lines of the pandemic.”

Battelle is a private, non-profit research firm created through a Charitable Trust set up in 1923 by Ohio steel industrialist Gordon Battelle. Its customers are private companies and government agencies.

[kiidcarter8]

Again, the "people are wearing garbage bags because there are no gowns" as well as "people being told to share masks" lines pop up on US television - this time spoken by Al Sharpton on CNN

Press, can we have further investigation of this?  No?  You are just going to leave it out there?

OK, press. 

[kiidcarter8]

Meanwhile, great news in a new process where many of these masks CAN be reused after undergoing thorough sterilization.  Not just by somebody cleaning their own.

[kiidcarter8]

Kamala Harris,asked how Joe Biden would handle this crisis differently than Trump:

1)  Joe has an ability to understand how people suffer

2)  Joe has been the Vice President of the United States during crises and a lifelong public servant

3)  Joe - INSTEAD OF SITTING IN HIS CHAIR (what?) as president would TAKE SERIOUSLY the needs of folks and act on their needs


Joe, she did you (un)proud.

[kiidcarter8]

Corona virus slowdown in SEATTLE suggests restrictions are working.  This is preventing busy hospitals in the area from being overwhelmed.

And in New York - consistent declines in the rate of new cases reported in recent days suggests that social distancing efforts are beginning to take effect there as well

- FOX News report 2:12 eastern 3/30

[bodiddley]

Don't worry, Trump will have this down to almost zero cases soon ...

It's well known how to limit and stop the spread.
Isolation and social distancing.  Face masks and hand washing.
Testing and quarantining anyone positive.
Contact tracing positives and testing them.

The sooner you put the measures in place the better.
Way too slow and reactive and disorganized and mixed messages in the USofA.
D-

[josh]

We do have a substantial lead in critical care and ICU neds per capita. It's something like 50% ahead of the nearest other countries.

But among the factors involved are these:

First are distinct differences in patient populations. Data comparing middle-aged Americans with a similar population in the United Kingdom demonstrated a higher burden of chronic illnesses among the American cohort –double the rate of diabetes and a third higher rate of hypertension. Such comparisons are essential to understanding the relative healthcare needs of populations. Frequency of interventions and surgical procedures may also impact the need for intensive care. For example, patients who receive a liver transplant will require a stay in an ICU. This need for intensive care is, therefore, driven not solely by disease, but also by management choices. An older study comparing admissions to intensive care in Alberta (Canada) and western Massachusetts (US) found that ICU days per million population were two to three times higher in western Massachusetts, primarily due to a higher ICU incidence (i.e. percent of hospitalized patients treated in the ICU). This discrepancy was driven by all of the factors described above.

And in addition to having 50% more beds than Canada, they cost 85% more per bed.

(figures used are 2012. It is likely worse since then.)

Sourceless information.

Good for the goose, good for the gander, Ward.

You often give us sourceless info, but without even indicating it wasn't yours to start with. Now you're complaining?

Hah!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/

Now will you comment on content?

[josh]

COLUMBUS, Ohio – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Columbus-based Battelle’s system that can decontaminate thousands of masks a day, according to a statement from the company.
Battelle on Sunday night said that the approval is for the use of the technology at “full capacity.”

Good news, Ward. Thank you.

But it is pretty funny your posting this immediately after complaining about the lack of source in mine.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/cnn10/ventilators-supply-government-warnings-coronavirus-invs/index.html

Trump said "nobody in their wildest dreams" could have imagined the demand for ventilators that now exists.

Perhaps not, but in report after report they spelled it out specifically, going back at least 17 years.

It's on Trump's administration, but only as the most recent in a long line of incompetent decision-makers with HHS, with the National Stockpile, with the hospitals themselves, and with the state agencies involved as well.

Sure, Trump is wrong that nobody could have seen this coming, but... does it matter much if the folks who could were roundly ignored?

[REDSTATEWARD]

COLUMBUS, Ohio – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Columbus-based Battelle’s system that can decontaminate thousands of masks a day, according to a statement from the company.
Battelle on Sunday night said that the approval is for the use of the technology at “full capacity.”

Good news, Ward. Thank you.

But it is pretty funny your posting this immediately after complaining about the lack of source in mine.

My source was identified and its info quoted directly.

[REDSTATEWARD]

We do have a substantial lead in critical care and ICU neds per capita. It's something like 50% ahead of the nearest other countries.

But among the factors involved are these:

First are distinct differences in patient populations. Data comparing middle-aged Americans with a similar population in the United Kingdom demonstrated a higher burden of chronic illnesses among the American cohort –double the rate of diabetes and a third higher rate of hypertension. Such comparisons are essential to understanding the relative healthcare needs of populations. Frequency of interventions and surgical procedures may also impact the need for intensive care. For example, patients who receive a liver transplant will require a stay in an ICU. This need for intensive care is, therefore, driven not solely by disease, but also by management choices. An older study comparing admissions to intensive care in Alberta (Canada) and western Massachusetts (US) found that ICU days per million population were two to three times higher in western Massachusetts, primarily due to a higher ICU incidence (i.e. percent of hospitalized patients treated in the ICU). This discrepancy was driven by all of the factors described above.

And in addition to having 50% more beds than Canada, they cost 85% more per bed.

(figures used are 2012. It is likely worse since then.)

Sourceless information.

Good for the goose, good for the gander, Ward.

You often give us sourceless info, but without even indicating it wasn't yours to start with. Now you're complaining?

Hah!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/

Now will you comment on content?

Sure.  An  old study focusing on different components.

[kiidcarter8]

It's well known how to limit and stop the spread.
Isolation and social distancing.  Face masks and hand washing.
Testing and quarantining anyone positive.
Contact tracing positives and testing them


Sure.


Now - do you have any thoughts on treatment?

[kiidcarter8]

More excellent progress


The hospital started recruiting donors from approximately 250 patients who have tested positive for COVID-19. Recruitment started as soon as the F.D.A. announced regulatory guidelines for the study last week, according to the statement.

“Convalescent serum therapy could be a vital treatment route because unfortunately there is relatively little to offer many patients except supportive care, and the ongoing clinical trials are going to take a while,” Dr. Eric Salazar, a physician scientist and principal investigator at the Methodist’s Research Institute, added in the statement. “We don’t have that much time.”






https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-pandemic-houston-hospital-plasma-transfusion

[bodiddley]

There's a lot being tried.

See how the many approved for other use drugs do.  Run studies.  Try combos.  Chloraquine can be used both to treat malaria and as a prophylactic to prevent malaria infection.  So I'd be trying that in early stages of the virus and as a prophylactic. 

The blood antigen idea is worth pursuing.
Hell, everything is worth pursuing.

I'm not a doctor.  I'm not going to have any better idea than the hundreds of thousands of doctors and medical researchers on the case worldwide.

I can ask around and check with my doctor friends what has worked in China for treatment.  But I don't think China came up with any treatment advances and more research has been done on the virus since China peaked. 

The new cheap tests are useful to quickly identify who needs to be isolated.  The main thing is to stop the spread so you don't have so many infected.  And develop a vaccine.  In the meantime, the try everything approach is best in an emergency.