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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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« Reply #30750 on: April 04, 2020, 01:04:50 AM »

This whole Trumpian concept that the states are supposed to lead and handle the disease and the Feds are just there in some supporting role is a huge miscalculation and essentially a disease multiplier.

The newly changed and distorted role of the National Stockpile encapsulates the failures of leadership by the Trump Admin. 

I'm genuinely confused.  Who is the national stockpile for?  The military? US Gov't personnel?  You'd think it would be for the people of the United States and would go to states who need it.  You know, how it always works during emergencies, a pooling of the national resources to where they are needed.

People are dying because Trump is unwilling to do his job.
About now, I think it'd be Trump who would be shot on 5th Avenue and no one would do anything about it.

How long do you think Jared would last in NYC today?
5 minutes before a mob beat him to death?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30751 on: April 04, 2020, 01:16:23 AM »

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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a recommendation for all Americans to wear cloth masks when in public around people, Trump announced at Friday's coronavirus task force press conference.

Trump then repeatedly clarified that the recommendation is "voluntary," and declared that he won't be wearing a mask at all

What great leadership.
Took until April to acknowledge and advocate an obvious protective measure and then immediately Trump undercuts the new policy.

Exactly why there is a huge outbreak and many deaths in the USofA.
A failure of leadership, exactly the wrong time to advocate for states rights, late and halfway measures.  The Gov't is killing people, and allowing people to die.
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Re: Death Administration
« Reply #30752 on: April 04, 2020, 01:19:04 AM »

This could be the GOP's Vietnam.
Maybe Trump won't even be nominated in August

Who is going to vote for the Death President?
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« Reply #30753 on: April 04, 2020, 01:22:43 AM »

I'm genuinely confused. 

There's nothing to be confused about.

The change was solely because Jared said what he said. And they will stand by it because admitting mistakes is not something they do - when you are the best at everything in every way, you don't make mistakes.

So, forever more (until Jan. 21, 2021) the National Stockpile will not be for backing up states.

It's stupid and asinine and totally consistent policy. (Changing things based on bizarre statements, that is, not the the purpose of the stockpile...)
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30754 on: April 04, 2020, 01:48:19 AM »

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Robert Hecht, professor at the Yale School of Public Health, who was the co-author of the face mask article with Dr. Soe-Lin. “Under this emergency situation we’re in, it seems, in our view, hard to argue against covering your face. We have large numbers of infections occurring which don’t need to happen if people were to use the masks.”

Which was true a month ago.  And a month before that ...

So I assume there's no longer any debate about wearing a face mask in public
Even if Trump won't.  And tells folks to wear one if they want.

Xi JinPing was on national TV wearing a mask in late January.  Which sent a strong message.  And worked.  Everyone masked up in public.  Still do.  Btw, the risk of getting the virus in Shanghai has and remains low.  Mainly because precautions were implemented early and compliance was thorough.  Which America failed to do due to poor leadership and slow responses.

It's astounding that the US waited until April to take the virus seriously, and still  there are halfway measures and draggers with some states and individuals doing little and not complying.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30755 on: April 04, 2020, 02:46:02 AM »

It looks as if today (4/4) will see the US hit 200,000+ cases (they know of) and tomorrow (4/5) we'll hit 10,000+ deaths. A month before, we were at 12. On March 31st, we were at 4,053 deaths.

I know Kid hates these projections, but... they feel important. OTOH, if you want to skip them, I cannot blame you. They're ugly and I did not even put the really ugly numbers up.
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For the month of March (March 2 through 31), the rate of increase in deaths ran at an average increase of 24% per day, compounded daily. (6*1.2529). The month of April has started more slowly than that, by what looks like a small amount - 22% intead of 25%, but which delivers a difference of 1.7 million deaths. Still, it needs to slow a lot more for that figure to fall into the window that we've been told:

An average of 12%, which is a very sharp drop from where we've been, would give a figure of ~121,000. 15% brings the deaths to over 268,000.

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"Following the guidelines for the next 30 days is a matter of life and death"

“This is going to be one of the roughest 2 or 3 weeks we’ve ever had in our country [...] We’re going to lose thousands of people.”

Projections: 100,000 - 240,000 total deaths in the US from COVID-19 [video segment] (down from 1.5 - 2.2 million deaths without mitigation: social distancing, staying home, washing hands). But if guidelines are followed perfectly by everyone, then the numbers can be lower, or even significantly lower

Assuming full mitigation: peak of 2,214 daily deaths on April 15

We're set to pass that number on Monday or at the latest Tuesday, more than a week ahead of their projected peak. That should tell you how far from peak mitigation we are. Even if we cut the growth rate by more than half, down to 10%, we'll pass that so-called peak sometime on April 9th.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30756 on: April 04, 2020, 02:46:15 AM »

So there might or might not be an actual new policy and the national stockpile will probably continue to be poorly administrated and largely ineffective, as has been the case before the new policy, which might be the same.  Got it.


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But with new information about how the virus is spread — potentially through the air and by people with no symptoms — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday recommended that everyone wear nonmedical face coverings in public settings. President Trump said the guidelines were voluntary, leaving the decision about wearing masks up to individuals.

Btw, there is no "new information" which led to the face mask policy.  It's been well-known, or strongly suspected, that the virus can spread airborne and that asymptomatic carriers can be contagious.  This has been common knowledge since early February at least.

I guess when you lie to the public about health care practices then you need more lies to correct the mistaken policy based on the initial lies.  Such misrepresentations shouldn't be part of official policy and media reports, but at least the guidance now matches reality and will better protect people.  Though mask wearing should be  strongly advocated, not this half-ass grudging Trump policy.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30757 on: April 04, 2020, 02:52:11 AM »

Perhaps 100,000 or more dead Americans because of incompetent leadership.

The country got hijacked by a conman and now many are paying for it with their lives.

Has there ever in American history been a worse failure than the way the Trump Admin handled/bungled this virus?
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« Reply #30758 on: April 04, 2020, 02:59:05 AM »

Perhaps 100,000 or more dead Americans because of incompetent leadership.

The country got hijacked by a conman and now many are paying for it with their lives.

Has there ever in American history been a worse failure than the way the Trump Admin handled/bungled this virus?

If it stays under 300,000 we will have been incredibly lucky, Bo.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30759 on: April 04, 2020, 03:07:23 AM »

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« Reply #30760 on: April 04, 2020, 03:33:10 AM »

If it stays under 300,000 we will have been incredibly lucky, Bo.

I've been more focused on what measures are being taken to protect people and care for those who are ill, rather than the numbers and projections.

Sure hope my parents don't die from this.

They'd be better off coming to China and waiting this out in Shanghai with me than continuing to live in the NYC suburbs.  Think about that!  A sad commentary.  And unfortunately even that escape route is not really open.  Not that they would really consider it.

Because people rely on their government to keep them safe.  The Trump Admin has imperiled all American lives by being inept, incompetent, incapable.   Maybe folks didn't appreciate that American presidents make life and death decisions.  Like W Bush before him, Trump chose death.
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« Reply #30761 on: April 04, 2020, 03:49:34 AM »

Btfw, the navy hospital ship docked in NYC was primarily a photo op for Trump.  The 1000 bed hospital ship has taken 20 patients so far.  20!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/only-20-patients-currently-being-treated-on-usns-comfort-in-nyc
It's actually not intended to handle coronavirus patients but instead to relieve hospitals of otherwise ill patients, to free up hospital beds/space.

You can easily spot the problems.
Already overburdened hospitals have to send patients to the ship, and have to know who the ships will admit.  Bureaucracy and more work.  The ship isn't admitting anyone directly. They all have to come from hospitals.  So it's at best a two-step process.  Military regulations remain in place, so further bureaucracy, and rules hospitals won't be familiar with. 

Meanwhile the LA hospital ship has just 15 patients.
Nothing like speed and efficiency in an emergency.

Just more Trump Era chaotic governance.
It's a helpless feeling watching your country fail on a massive level.
I'm thoroughly disgusted.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #30762 on: April 04, 2020, 05:28:03 AM »

Trump is once more using his power as a political shiv. It’s idiotic and transparent and will backfire and cause enormous collateral damage as is typical of everything the trump crew does.

As for mask and stock pile, Orwell meets Churchill. Ignorance is strength for these rhinoceri (how’d Ionesco sneak in there?) and all other alternatives must be exhausted before anyone in the skull palace (as trump is remodeling 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.) can begin to consider doing something remotely akin to the right thing.
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« Reply #30763 on: April 04, 2020, 05:33:12 AM »

The way things are looking because of the [snark]excellent central leadership in the United States[/snark], I can’t see the floor being anywhere under 600K with the peak (or aggregate of peaks) falling sometime between storm season and fire season (If we’re lucky and The Gods love us more than trump does).
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