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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[facilitatorn]

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/18/pentagon-extends-troops-travel-ban-193602

The brass is watching trump’s idiotic flailing and has determined his shambolic efforts will continue to fail and the virus will spread while the economy will stay shuttered for at least another two months with hundreds dying each day and millions losing jobs each week.

With trump putting the full force and power of the federal government behind enriching his cronies and finding someone else to blame, the end of June is too optimistic. Shutdowns into August at least will result from the weakness and stupidity of poxy don. 

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2020/04/18/trump-is-insane-and-its-time-for-leading-democrats-to-say-that-out-loud/

[kiidcarter8]

It is Trump's overall conduct that is problematic, not every single breath he takes.



ah...well...thanks for that, anyway

[josh]

It is Trump's overall conduct that is problematic, not every single breath he takes.



ah...well...thanks for that, anyway

His conduct encourages things like the Pro-Death rallies in Minnesota and Michigan.

It encourages ninnies like Gov. DeSantis to reopen the Florida beaches now.

And it encourages conduct from churches like this one:
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-food-drug-administration-bleach-1498751?fbclid=IwAR1XflU32laZ2BlR_WBnsZJPPC2E8Qhx8cgJkQUyEdjYwotHh-Yzm99QUjs

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/18/operation-reopen-america-are-we-about-to-witness-a-second-historic-failure-of-leadership-from-trump

Trump is crazy. Trump is nuts. Lock him up for his own safety and the safety of all of us.

[josh]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-vaccine-wildcard-from-big-tobacco-11585760118?fbclid=IwAR2AqKRt-va9Q4CqyOnJW-hS4pT5JnO_8dN0rDsFx85UfIUJtBYqbaWfe4Q

Big Tobacco to the rescue?!

[REDSTATEWARD]

I was speaking about the general debate in the country and not Fox News,  which I don't follow.   

But you criticize it anyway.

[Kam]

Trump said something crazy. 


Stop giving him airtime.  Stop repeating his quotes.  The media is just as responsible for perpetuating his BS.

[josh]

Donald Trump's response to claims that folks can't get tested was to lie and mislead and distract:

Following the announcement of our reopening guidelines, there have been some very partisan voices in the media and politics who have spread false and misleading information about our testing capacities. Totally false and misleading. Demonstrating a complete failure to understand the enormous scope of the testing capabilities that we’ve brought online. And we started really from ground zero.

We started from really being very, very outdated and obsolete as a country from the past. And I will say this. If they didn’t understand it, it’s just really, unfortunately, I hate to say this, because we’ve been getting along very well, but it would be false reporting because they understand the capability. It’s going to be up to the states to use that capability. The states have local points where they can go. The governor can call the mayors and the mayors can call representatives. And everything is perfect.

[josh]

I was speaking about the general debate in the country and not Fox News,  which I don't follow.   

But you criticize it anyway.

You're one to talk.

But yes, if I post something from Fox, Barton can respond to it in appropriately disparaging terms.

[bodiddley]

The video on this CNN article is simply Trump talking about the virus in January through to last week, with the number of confirmed cases (and deaths, once they start occurring) on the right side of the screen.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/donald-trump-deep-state-new-york-times/index.html?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion
Not sure how to link the video itself.

But Trump downplaying the virus is devastating -- especially Feb 26 where he says the risk to Americans is very low, and then Feb 28 where he gets big applause at a campaign rally when he says that not one American has died from the virus. 

This alone could be a Dem advert against Trump.  His own words, lack of concern, downplaying and unpreparedness.  Bloomberg should make sure every American sees that.  (is he still offering up his wallet?)

They should add in when Trump read the national advisory to wear masks in a bored monotone, then perked up when he got to the word voluntary, which he repeated for emphasis loudly VOLUNTARY, and then proceeded to say that he wouldn't be following the rec and wouldn't wear a mask.  Gets at the heart of the weak response, half measures, and Trump undercutting compliance.

Edit: You're right they definitely need the "anyone who wants to get tested can" lie in there too.

[josh]

The video on this CNN article is simply Trump talking about the virus in January through to last week, with the number of confirmed cases (and deaths, once they start occurring) on the right side of the screen.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/donald-trump-deep-state-new-york-times/index.html?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion
Not sure how to link the video itself.

But Trump downplaying the virus is devastating -- especially Feb 26 where he says the risk to Americans is very low, and then Feb 28 where he gets big applause at a campaign rally when he says that not one American has died from the virus. 

This alone could be a Dem advert against Trump.  His own words, lack of concern, downplaying and unpreparedness.  Bloomberg should make sure every American sees that.  (is he still offering up his wallet?)

They should add in when Trump read the national advisory to wear masks in a bored monotone, then perked up when he got to the word voluntary, which he repeated for emphasis loudly VOLUNTARY, and then proceeded to say that he wouldn't be following the rec and wouldn't wear a mask.  Gets at the heart of the weak response, half measures, and Trump undercutting compliance.

Edit: You're right they definitely need the "anyone who wants to get tested can" lie in there too.

Trump's campaign is suing to try to stop an ad with a video just like the one CNN shared.

[bodiddley]

Japan is an odd case.
Seems they didn't want to have many confirmed cases because they wanted to stage the Olympics this Summer (!) so they simply didn't test much.

The countries that have tried a minimal response to the virus seem to be doing poorly recently.  The UK initially planned the Dead Granny strategy of herd immunity, then realized that was going to kill lots of UKers, followed by their PM almost dying of the disease.  Had to change course.

Sweden was trying a very relaxed approach, even keeping schools open.  It seems to be failing and they seem  to be scrambling for stronger measures.
Turkey wanted to just tough it out.
Russia thought they could just ignore and not report on the virus.
Brasil was also taking a tough it out it's not that big a deal approach.
Iran thought it was a hoax, until political leaders started dying.

Looks like none of those will have happy endings.

The US combined a disregard with terrible preparation, lots of downplaying and disorganization, and a very late start while still taking half  and 3/4 measures.  I think Italy & Spain fall into the disorganized category.

Countries that employed a lot of precautions, shut down the economy early, and have conducted lots of testing have unsurprisingly fared best.  China, South Korea, Vietnam, Germany, Austria, Denmark.  Also Taiwan and Hong Kong.  Singapore I think as well, but I haven't really checked.

There should be a lot of data and reports and books about the global response.  But I think that's a quick early recap.

[bodiddley]

Trump's campaign is suing to try to stop an ad with a video just like the one CNN shared.

Yes, but only because the way two sentences are edited together makes it seem like Trump directly said the virus was a hoax, when he only implied that in a disjointed statement.

But that will go to court and the ad won't be removed.  And even if Trump prevails or gets an injunction from a court, all they need to do is tweak it to extend or remove that one quote.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/were-testing-the-wrong-people/610234/

Everyone who isn’t criminally insane knows what needs to be done and what path to take to make it happen.