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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

https://wapo.st/3bmtn95?fbclid=IwAR3ohUveSrKykkoNVnAMAO8Ii6nkXs24toaJLjj60LYBGi-tzNbET75warM

#FloridaMorons trends after people flock to reopened Florida beaches
On the same day as Florida's highest daily coronavirus death toll, DeSantis told reporters that it’s essential Floridians get exercise outdoors

DeSantis is the biggest Florida Dolt, by far.

What's also needed (besides more gray matter upstairs) is research on the viability of viral particles in open sunlit air.   If people are spread out on beaches, with plentiful UV rays pouring down,  and a sea breeze,  there might not be transmission.   I don't see solid data on this.   The problem is that basic ethical one of conducting an experiment with the beach as the laboratory and the public as unwitting subjects.   People going to the beach are going to assume they're safe... and that could lead to false confidence and breaches in social distance.

How is walking along a Florida Beach any less safe than walking along the shores of Lake Michigan in Chicago, or in one of the reopening state parks, or biking on a country lane, or along a city street,  or playing golf ( no more than one to a power cart though- otherwise carry the clubs or use a pull cart).? 
It isn’t.
Social distancing and common sense are still responsibilities that fall to all of us.

More bodily fluids escaping. More potential for taking them in.

And... if all they do in each of those places is walk, safely apart, then it isn't - but there is a reason bunches of place, like Los Angeles, shut down their walking and hiking trails.

Look at the pictures, Ward.




It doesn't mean that it cannot be done as you suggest, but that betting on it is a dumb idea.


Show me equivalent pictures from Lake Michigan or those state parks, Ward! Go ahead. I looked and did not see them, but maybe you have different sources.

I saw folks violating social distancing in Michigan and Texas, but they weren't at state parks or the shore:


Blocking ambulances seems terribly clever.

The volleyballers are assholes.  Should we be surprised there were some of them?

Most of the others are perfectly staying within guidelines of the opening.

Keeping things closed because there will be assholes is improper.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/19/piers-morgan-advice-for-trump-rs-full-stelter-vpx.cnn

"This is not what the President should be doing."
~Piers Morgan, amazingly enough

[josh]

The volleyballers are assholes.  Should we be surprised there were some of them?

Most of the others are perfectly staying within guidelines of the opening.

Keeping things closed because there will be assholes is improper.

Your eyesight is damaged, Kid. There are huge clumps in all of the pictures except the one I posted right after commenting that some people can manage it.

More than half of the people are breaking all common sense in most of the beach shots.

[josh]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/in-new-poll-60-percent-support-keeping-stay-at-home-restrictions-to-fight-coronavirus/2110163/

[josh]

Sums it up pretty well, huh?



For everybody but conservatives, who will insist that it is not the same... because now it's about THEM having to toe the line. Oh, so terribly different.

[Hairy Lime]

https://wapo.st/3bmtn95?fbclid=IwAR3ohUveSrKykkoNVnAMAO8Ii6nkXs24toaJLjj60LYBGi-tzNbET75warM

#FloridaMorons trends after people flock to reopened Florida beaches
On the same day as Florida's highest daily coronavirus death toll, DeSantis told reporters that it’s essential Floridians get exercise outdoors

DeSantis is the biggest Florida Dolt, by far.

What's also needed (besides more gray matter upstairs) is research on the viability of viral particles in open sunlit air.   If people are spread out on beaches, with plentiful UV rays pouring down,  and a sea breeze,  there might not be transmission.   I don't see solid data on this.   The problem is that basic ethical one of conducting an experiment with the beach as the laboratory and the public as unwitting subjects.   People going to the beach are going to assume they're safe... and that could lead to false confidence and breaches in social distance.

How is walking along a Florida Beach any less safe than walking along the shores of Lake Michigan in Chicago, or in one of the reopening state parks, or biking on a country lane, or along a city street,  or playing golf ( no more than one to a power cart though- otherwise carry the clubs or use a pull cart).? 
It isn’t.
Social distancing and common sense are still responsibilities that fall to all of us.

More bodily fluids escaping. More potential for taking them in.

And... if all they do in each of those places is walk, safely apart, then it isn't - but there is a reason bunches of place, like Los Angeles, shut down their walking and hiking trails.

Look at the pictures, Ward.




It doesn't mean that it cannot be done as you suggest, but that betting on it is a dumb idea.


Show me equivalent pictures from Lake Michigan or those state parks, Ward! Go ahead. I looked and did not see them, but maybe you have different sources.

I saw folks violating social distancing in Michigan and Texas, but they weren't at state parks or the shore:


Blocking ambulances seems terribly clever.

The volleyballers are assholes.  Should we be surprised there were some of them?

Most of the others are perfectly staying within guidelines of the opening.

Keeping things closed because there will be assholes is improper.

"Because there will be assholes" is the primary reason for most of our laws.

[facilitatorn]

Great thinking like Kiid’s has the country poised for and explosive next few weeks

http://www.salon.com/2020/04/19/trumps-lies-are-killing-his-supporters-as-the-coronavirus-starts-to-sweep-rural-america_partner/

[facilitatorn]

http://www.dcreport.org/2020/04/19/this-is-what-trump-is-doing-to-us/

[barton]

   How is walking along a Florida Beach any less safe than walking along the shores of Lake Michigan in Chicago, or in one of the reopening state parks, or biking on a country lane, or along a city street... 

As others point out,  laws are calibrated to the foolish,  not the sensible.   In those other venues,  your own discretion may keep you at safe distance from others.  But a Florida beach?   The foolish are thick on the ground.   In another couple months,  that may also be the case on Lake Michigan...

[REDSTATEWARD]

https://wapo.st/3bmtn95?fbclid=IwAR3ohUveSrKykkoNVnAMAO8Ii6nkXs24toaJLjj60LYBGi-tzNbET75warM

#FloridaMorons trends after people flock to reopened Florida beaches
On the same day as Florida's highest daily coronavirus death toll, DeSantis told reporters that it’s essential Floridians get exercise outdoors

DeSantis is the biggest Florida Dolt, by far.

What's also needed (besides more gray matter upstairs) is research on the viability of viral particles in open sunlit air.   If people are spread out on beaches, with plentiful UV rays pouring down,  and a sea breeze,  there might not be transmission.   I don't see solid data on this.   The problem is that basic ethical one of conducting an experiment with the beach as the laboratory and the public as unwitting subjects.   People going to the beach are going to assume they're safe... and that could lead to false confidence and breaches in social distance.

How is walking along a Florida Beach any less safe than walking along the shores of Lake Michigan in Chicago, or in one of the reopening state parks, or biking on a country lane, or along a city street,  or playing golf ( no more than one to a power cart though- otherwise carry the clubs or use a pull cart).? 
It isn’t.
Social distancing and common sense are still responsibilities that fall to all of us.

More bodily fluids escaping. More potential for taking them in.

And... if all they do in each of those places is walk, safely apart, then it isn't - but there is a reason bunches of place, like Los Angeles, shut down their walking and hiking trails.

Look at the pictures, Ward.




It doesn't mean that it cannot be done as you suggest, but that betting on it is a dumb idea.


Show me equivalent pictures from Lake Michigan or those state parks, Ward! Go ahead. I looked and did not see them, but maybe you have different sources.

I saw folks violating social distancing in Michigan and Texas, but they weren't at state parks or the shore:


Blocking ambulances seems terribly clever.

The volleyballers are assholes.  Should we be surprised there were some of them?

Most of the others are perfectly staying within guidelines of the opening.

Keeping things closed because there will be assholes is improper.

"Because there will be assholes" is the primary reason for most of our laws.

Oh.you don’t know.
How predictable.

[kiidcarter8]

22 states to begin re-opening tomorrow.

[REDSTATEWARD]

The Unequal Cost of Social Distancing
Stefanie DeLuca, James Coleman Professor of Sociology & Social Policy
Nick Papageorge, Broadus Mitchell Associate Professor of Economics
Emma Kalish, PhD student in Economics


Social distancing will save lives.(i) Its economic costs are staggering. While frustrating but manageable for many people(ii), the economic fallout of social distancing is brutal for the poorest, most vulnerable and marginalized members of our society. Even looking at the issue purely in terms of lives lost, injuries sustained, and lifelong psychological damage, there are tradeoffs that we feel have not been sufficiently acknowledged.
Unemployment will lead to increases in suicide, substance abuse, domestic violence, homelessness and food insecurity. Substance abuse itself—especially the opioid crisis—has already significantly reduced life expectancy in the U.S., and that has been during a time of relative prosperity. Under the current circumstances, it is entirely possible we will see such an impact again. Domestic violence is also deadly, more so now with abusers finding themselves frustrated and at home far more than normal.
Thousands of people will die from these causes, and many more will be severely injured and traumatized for life. While these issues can be universal, they fall hardest on the poorest, most vulnerable members of our population, who we know have been the first to lose their jobs and suffer the most from these terrible problems.
Thus, a grim tradeoff is already being made between saving different lives: saving the lives of those who are most vulnerable to COVID-19 versus saving the lives of those who are most vulnerable to suicide, substance abuse, and domestic violence. Moreover, these vulnerabilities mean social distancing may be unsustainable for large swaths of the poorest Americans. As decision makers contemplate medium-term economic versus public health trade-offs, they must do so with an acknowledgement of the severely skewed nature of the costs of distancing.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/the-unequal-cost-of-social-distancing

[josh]

Oh.you don’t know.
How predictable.

Oh, you have nothing intelligible to say.

Zzzzzzzzzz.

[josh]

22 states to begin re-opening tomorrow.

Russian roulette.

[josh]

The Unequal Cost of Social Distancing
Stefanie DeLuca, James Coleman Professor of Sociology & Social Policy
Nick Papageorge, Broadus Mitchell Associate Professor of Economics
Emma Kalish, PhD student in Economics


Social distancing will save lives.(i) Its economic costs are staggering. While frustrating but manageable for many people(ii), the economic fallout of social distancing is brutal for the poorest, most vulnerable and marginalized members of our society. Even looking at the issue purely in terms of lives lost, injuries sustained, and lifelong psychological damage, there are tradeoffs that we feel have not been sufficiently acknowledged.
Unemployment will lead to increases in suicide, substance abuse, domestic violence, homelessness and food insecurity. Substance abuse itself—especially the opioid crisis—has already significantly reduced life expectancy in the U.S., and that has been during a time of relative prosperity. Under the current circumstances, it is entirely possible we will see such an impact again. Domestic violence is also deadly, more so now with abusers finding themselves frustrated and at home far more than normal.
Thousands of people will die from these causes, and many more will be severely injured and traumatized for life. While these issues can be universal, they fall hardest on the poorest, most vulnerable members of our population, who we know have been the first to lose their jobs and suffer the most from these terrible problems.
Thus, a grim tradeoff is already being made between saving different lives: saving the lives of those who are most vulnerable to COVID-19 versus saving the lives of those who are most vulnerable to suicide, substance abuse, and domestic violence. Moreover, these vulnerabilities mean social distancing may be unsustainable for large swaths of the poorest Americans. As decision makers contemplate medium-term economic versus public health trade-offs, they must do so with an acknowledgement of the severely skewed nature of the costs of distancing.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/from-our-experts/the-unequal-cost-of-social-distancing

The only times you care about vulnerable people is when you think it advances your argument.

The rest of the time you are either silent or dismissive.