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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

Another classic instance of someone floundering when they go outside their area of expertise. 

Sort of like that cement management guy who posts here as a constitutional scholar.

Your experience with the Salvadorian and Nicaraguan refugees is saddening -  a system that's supposed to be impartial getting corrupted by ideology.  la plus ca  change, la plus c'est la meme as the froggies say.

[oilcan]

Millions of hogs and cattle euthanized
Sad.

Yeah, they would've been much happier being slaughtered...

I agree the waste is sad - if they had to perish in factory farming conditions anyway,  obviously it would be better if their meat could feed someone,  especially someone food insecure b/c of the pandemic.   Though meat is not necessary for an omnivore,  especially when dairy and egg products remain available, it is a nutrient-dense food.  Why we can't spend some of our tax money to mobilize a special slaughter operation outdoors and get the unsellable animals to area cold storage is not clear to me.   

[bodiddley]

Just to be clear, I didn't have any direct experience with Central American refugees.
That was just Reagan/Bush policy throughout the 80's/early 90's, which was duly reported upon.  I'm pretty sure they just lied and designated El Salvador as safe.  But my memory isn't completely clear on how they justified it or how they lied/manipulated the system.  Of course, it's such a poor flimsy system, it didn't take much effort to thwart.

[bodiddley]

Here we go:

Congress had imposed a ban on foreign assistance to governments that committed gross violations of human rights, thus the administration denied Salvadoran and Guatemalan government complicity in atrocities.

Characterizing the Salvadorans and Guatemalans as "economic migrants," the Reagan administration denied that the Salvadoran and Guatemalan governments had violated human rights. As a result, approval rates for Salvadoran and Guatemalan asylum cases were under three percent in 1984. In the same year, the approval rate for Iranians was 60 percent, 40 percent for Afghans fleeing the Soviet invasion, and 32 percent for Poles.

The Justice Department and INS actively discouraged Salvadorans and Guatemalans from applying for political asylum. Salvadorans and Guatemalans arrested near the Mexico-U.S. border were herded into crowded detention centers and pressured to agree to "voluntarily return" to their countries of origin. Thousands were deported without ever having the opportunity to receive legal advice or be informed of the possibility of applying for refugee status. Considering the widely reported human rights violations in El Salvador and Guatemala, the treatment of these migrants constituted a violation of U.S. obligations under the 1951 Refugee Convention.

97 percent of Salvadorans and close to 99 percent of Guatemalans were denied asylum in the early 1980s. Between 1980 and 1992, only 1,637 Salvadorans and 277 Guatemalans were granted asylum, according to INS statistics.

By contrast, 13,715 Nicaraguans won asylum after fleeing the Sandinista regime - a government the Reagan administration was trying to overthrow.

[bodiddley]

I hate remembering the horrors of the Reagan Admin.  People forget how mean-spirited and harsh policies were.  You look back over the GOP administrations and there are all sorts of vileness and wars and corruption and incompetence.

I guess the righties look back at the Dem admins and cringe at the lack of wars, Clinton's budget surplus,  Obama providing health insurance to tens of millions, Obama's uh ... arrogance, the lack of scandals, Clinton get hummed by an intern...

I used to see folks on these internets frequently proclaim that Obama was ruining the country.  And I'd ask them for any example of such.  And they'd hem and haw and say it was obvious, or some other vague dodge.  I almost never could get one example of Obama damaging the country in any way.  One time someone said all the executive orders.  But then they couldn't offer up even one that was harmful.  And it didn't help when I pointed out the president has a lot of power, and that after 6 years of being sabotaged Obama decided to use it.  And that these were by their nature easy to reverse (as Trump has been doing).

[LarryBnDC]

It’s also a matter of progressive politics, which, as you know, I regard as an extremely dangerous form of political ideology because these people are much more inclined to big government, much more inclined to see things as always being out of the ordinary, always reading small changes as though they’re about to become exponential ones.

This is true with respect to climate change and it’s true with respect to this, and so, since they have the exponential model, they think that the costs of delay are absolutely tragically high. If you took the conventional model that I did, you would treat this just the way you did the flu that we had in 2009-2010, which turned out to be normal.

So he admits that his response is politically, rather than scientifically or medically, based.

And the virus can indeed infect and kill exponentially, as one person on average infects two more and that keeps spreading throughout the population.

Epstein is one of those people who will never admit to be wrong about anything.  Will just shift gears in his argument and double down.

Just like RED and kiid. Never correct yet never uncertain.

[barton]

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/847781142/michigan-rep-justin-amash-takes-step-toward-libertarian-presidential-bid

No no no.   Dude,  you don't want another Trump term.   Think this through.   

[josh]

This is what Trump's economic adviser was saying about the economic impact of COVID-19 in February:

"The coronavirus is essentially a China problem. ... It's not a US problem. The impact on the American economy will be very, very, very small, if any. … We really haven’t seen any economic impact. There may be some out there. Our own internal numbers say maybe two-tenths of a percent in the first quarter, but that’s not going to end this growth cycle."

~ Larry Kudlow, February 7, 2020, starting 7 minutes in.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6130564837001#sp=show-clips

[facilitatorn]

http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3mabk/is-the-texas-governor-trying-to-kill-my-family-by-reopening-the-state

[bodiddley]

A study of remdesivir has mildly good results that the company is hyping like mad (while smacking down the results of a Chian study that said it was useless) and easily enough got Trump to join the hype parade. 

Note: the study hasn't been formally released, hasn't been peer reviewed, was halted early, and the initial goals of reduced mortality and getting patients off ventilators were changed to shortening the length of recovery.  Note: I don't trust Gilead, as they are desperate to get a return on their investment on this originally anti-Ebola drug.  Should check who has been profiting from the numerous times remdesivir gets touted and its stock rollercoasters.

For those who took the drug, Fauci said, it took less time to recover, averaging 11 days compared to 15 days for those in a control group who received a placebo.

He also said the mortality rate trended lower for those who took the drug — 8% compared to 11% for those who did not — although he noted that trend was not yet statistically significant, and the results will undergo further analysis.

Great if this drug helps, though the benefit seems somewhat limited.  But I'll wait to see the results, the review, and what the experts say about the benefits.

Fauci seems to be jumping the gun saying this is the new standard of care.

[josh]

https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm?fbclid=IwAR2EOO9-j8rvVaZJxNT9MtjoC5wR1yuz8MFwWwZVCCl9JAdgISxydZkv2ds

[josh]

This is what Trump's economic adviser was saying about the economic impact of COVID-19 in February:

"The coronavirus is essentially a China problem. ... It's not a US problem. The impact on the American economy will be very, very, very small, if any. … We really haven’t seen any economic impact. There may be some out there. Our own internal numbers say maybe two-tenths of a percent in the first quarter, but that’s not going to end this growth cycle."

~ Larry Kudlow, February 7, 2020, starting 7 minutes in.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6130564837001#sp=show-clips

"We’ve achieved all the different milestones that are needed. The federal government rose to the challenge, and this is a great success story."

Current US death toll: 58,368.

- Jared Kushner, Apr. 29, 2020

[LarryBnDC]

2013 Politifact Lie of the Year

“If you like your doctor...”

He should have said, “If you like your shitty coverage, too bad. I won’t let you be a sucker.”

https://www.politifact.com/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/


March 6, 2020

“Anyone who wants a test can get one.”

17 dead from Covid19.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/11/donald-trump/donald-trumps-wrong-claim-anybody-can-get-tested-c/

April 29, 2020

And people seriously think this bastard is gonna be re-elected?

How many people does he have to kill?

[facilitatorn]

If you live in Florida, or any state with a strong GOP death cult, you are all meat packers and lab rats until you vote them out.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/04/29/florida-medical-examiners-were-releasing-coronavirus-death-data-the-state-made-them-stop/?ads=a&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=social&utm_content=%40TB_Tmes&__twitter_impression=true&utm_expid=.OkR8_rI9TJCniE4SYU689w.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fm.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F1941318

[facilitatorn]

There’s one disease at least that’s well understood by the medical profession

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/trump-bleach-joke-sociopathy.html