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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32940 on: April 30, 2020, 09:49:30 PM »

I was responding to your suggesting I hold my ground.


OK

I was alluding to there being new information on Flynn today - that you would hold your ground regardless.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32941 on: April 30, 2020, 09:59:06 PM »

Power outage...
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32942 on: April 30, 2020, 10:04:34 PM »



Peter Strzok blocked FBI from closing Flynn investigation after it found no 'derogatory information'


By Jerry Dunleavy
Washington Examiner
April 30, 2020 - 3:50 PM


Now-fired special agent Peter Strzok stopped the FBI from closing its investigation into retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn in early January 2017 after uncovering “no derogatory information” on the incoming Trump national security adviser, according to newly released records.

Emails later that month show Strzok, along with then-FBI lawyer Lisa Page and others, sought out ways to continue investigating Flynn, including an email from Strzok admitting that he wanted to use a defensive debriefing of Flynn as a “pretext," after the bureau moved to shut down the case.
The disclosures are among the trove of redacted FBI documents, emails, and text messages released on Thursday that have been touted by Flynn's lawyers as exculpatory evidence heretofore concealed from the defense team.

SQUIRREL!
Or.
Let’s not talk about the Obama KGB -
style FBI sham investigation of Flynn.

This is some peak Caucasity right here!

Trump fired Flynn.
Flynn admitted to committing crimes.
Flynn pled guilty.

Fuck you and your GOP KGB bullshit talking points.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2020, 10:14:26 PM by LarryBnDC »
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32943 on: April 30, 2020, 10:18:37 PM »


When it comes to summer vacations, beach trips are still a go, Frieden said. Social distancing is still necessary, though, he said.


We went hiking in the hills today.   In a county with one recorded case of CV19.  Groups very far apart and people stepped off the trail when others passed.   And at 5000 feet,  the UV will kill anything hanging in the air (including my skin).   I have no doubt beaches could be doable,  too,  but as Tom Frieden points out,  social distancing is still necessary.   And that will mean something like numerical limits,  not a free-for-all.   

I understand that restless frustrated feeling,  which makes people want to go crazy and lick a shopping cart handle.   But to indulge the feeling is like indulging the impulse to pour used motor oil down a storm sewer - there's potential harm to others,  and it may not be an 80 year old in a hospice,  it may be someone with years left on the odometer.   And when society validates that kind of risking,  it's not promoting herd immunity, it's promoting culling the herd.
But.
What’s the Death toll of 30+ million(and growing) unemployed American workers, the stoppage of out-patient hospital visits for procedures affecting cancer treatments, heart disease surgeries,  or the general reluctance of visiting the ER?  Not to mention suicides and accidental overdoses due to despondency of failing to take care of your family.?
Or the overall effect of shutting down our schools, of turning our economy over to the government and dooming everyone to higher taxes as we run our currency printers 24/7?
Worse. By the end of the year, 8 percent of the world’s population — half a billion people — could be pushed into destitution, largely because of the wave of unemployment brought by virus lockdowns, the United Nations estimates.
We get a daily scorecard on Covid-19 deaths.
The real death toll will be the added ones from the lockdowns. 
And it will take years to make it an official count.

I don't believe I have disagreed that lockdowns in developing countries have graver consequences than in rich ones.   In countries where workers can get government checks, unemployment, rent grace periods,  etc.  I don't think we have good social science research on how bad that is or how boring days at home compare to contracting a serious illness at work and passing it to vulnerable family members.   I was only agreeing with Tom Frieden that fresh air recreation, with social distancing, may be worth organizing in a safe social structure... and especially where you do have laid-off workers who need cheering up.   

As for blowing bigger deficit craters and ensuring higher tax burdens in the future, you need to talk with your fearless leader, ca. 2017. 

There are no panaceas,  but there are rational risk assessments based on real numbers and not just vague reference to despair.   I haven't talked to one person around here who isn't okay with being home,  hardships notwithstanding, and prefer that to being forced to work with the public in risky settings.   I don't doubt that someone in India might evaluate the balance of risk differently, where destitution is far more life threatening.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32944 on: April 30, 2020, 10:36:47 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/politics/trump-intelligence-community-china-coronavirus-origins/index.html

Trump again "knows" more than the intelligence agencies. Just ask him.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32945 on: April 30, 2020, 10:40:16 PM »

Hmmm.
The WHO just endorsed Sweden’s approach.

This guy didn’t.

Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!

—Donald J. Trump
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« Reply #32946 on: April 30, 2020, 10:48:50 PM »

The comments undercut a public statement from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued just hours earlier which stated no such assessment has been made and continues to "rigorously examine" whether the outbreak "began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan."



Yep - intelligence is on it.  Good to see.  What they will state and when - well, you understand how careful they will be.
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« Reply #32948 on: April 30, 2020, 11:05:07 PM »

Hmmm.
The WHO just endorsed Sweden’s approach.

This guy didn’t.

Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!

—Donald J. Trump
Oh. So you support Trump now?
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« Reply #32950 on: April 30, 2020, 11:21:10 PM »


When it comes to summer vacations, beach trips are still a go, Frieden said. Social distancing is still necessary, though, he said.


We went hiking in the hills today.   In a county with one recorded case of CV19.  Groups very far apart and people stepped off the trail when others passed.   And at 5000 feet,  the UV will kill anything hanging in the air (including my skin).   I have no doubt beaches could be doable,  too,  but as Tom Frieden points out,  social distancing is still necessary.   And that will mean something like numerical limits,  not a free-for-all.   

I understand that restless frustrated feeling,  which makes people want to go crazy and lick a shopping cart handle.   But to indulge the feeling is like indulging the impulse to pour used motor oil down a storm sewer - there's potential harm to others,  and it may not be an 80 year old in a hospice,  it may be someone with years left on the odometer.   And when society validates that kind of risking,  it's not promoting herd immunity, it's promoting culling the herd.
But.
What’s the Death toll of 30+ million(and growing) unemployed American workers, the stoppage of out-patient hospital visits for procedures affecting cancer treatments, heart disease surgeries,  or the general reluctance of visiting the ER?  Not to mention suicides and accidental overdoses due to despondency of failing to take care of your family.?
Or the overall effect of shutting down our schools, of turning our economy over to the government and dooming everyone to higher taxes as we run our currency printers 24/7?
Worse. By the end of the year, 8 percent of the world’s population — half a billion people — could be pushed into destitution, largely because of the wave of unemployment brought by virus lockdowns, the United Nations estimates.
We get a daily scorecard on Covid-19 deaths.
The real death toll will be the added ones from the lockdowns. 
And it will take years to make it an official count.

I don't believe I have disagreed that lockdowns in developing countries have graver consequences than in rich ones.   In countries where workers can get government checks, unemployment, rent grace periods,  etc.
Huh?
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  I don't think we have good social science research on how bad that is or how boring days at home compare to contracting a serious illness at work and passing it to vulnerable family members. 
Was that supposed to  mean something?
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I was only agreeing with Tom Frieden that fresh air recreation, with social distancing, may be worth organizing in a safe social structure... and especially where you do have laid-off workers who need cheering up.   
Which is what we are doing.
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As for blowing bigger deficit craters and ensuring higher tax burdens in the future, you need to talk with your fearless leader, ca. 2017. 
And Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnell since this was a bi partisan cave- in to lockdowns. Try to keep up.
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There are no panaceas,  but there are rational risk assessments based on real numbers and not just vague reference to despair.   I haven't talked to one person around here who isn't okay with being home,  hardships notwithstanding, and prefer that to being forced to work with the public in risky settings.   I don't doubt that someone in India might evaluate the balance of risk differently, where destitution is far more life threatening.
Well as you have often opined anecdotal evidence is highly suspect to the final verdict.
How elitist of you.
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« Reply #32951 on: April 30, 2020, 11:34:07 PM »

Get out of the house, Red. Go play in traffic.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #32952 on: April 30, 2020, 11:44:16 PM »

Hmmm.
The WHO just endorsed Sweden’s approach.

This guy didn’t.

Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!

—Donald J. Trump
Oh. So you support Trump now?

Well, who is correct?
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