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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #34276 on: May 14, 2020, 07:48:56 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #34277 on: May 14, 2020, 08:46:07 AM »

In Wisconsin, 4 judges have decided to ignore the law and make shit up:
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/wisconsin-governor-four-judges-have-thrown-our-state-into-chaos-83436101924?cid=sm_fb_maddow&fbclid=IwAR3GMfJCtu_ES3Mdlud-ZP8yyftH6fYRaV0A6uqEl3Hqtznq1_4hfeAJBws

And one of those 4 cast the deciding vote despite getting voted out in an election in which Republicans hoped the pandemic would depress turnout.
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« Reply #34278 on: May 14, 2020, 08:47:54 AM »

Sen. Burr served with warrant to for cell phone. Investigation concerns possible insider trading.


https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article242724611.html

That's one!

And probably the only one. 

Trump wants Burr out as he is a thorn in his side in his quest to completely politicize intelligence.

Loeffler's husband, on the other hand, is the Chair of the NYSE.

These things matter to the DOJ now under our "president."
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #34279 on: May 14, 2020, 08:53:23 AM »

The list of Obama Administration officials relating to the conversation with Ambassador Kisylak

https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/05/2020-05-13-ODNI-to-CEG-RHJ-Unmasking.pdf


OMG, people talking about doing something legal.

I don't remember your objecting to the "unmasking" of Valerie Plame or the outing of the whistleblower.

Why, it is almost as if you are a fucking flaming hypocrite.
Unmasking is legal, happens, on average, thousands of times a year.
I never said otherwise.

So what does the episode say to you REDSTATEWARD, if this is not evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the Obama Administration, despite what Trump claims?  What did you hope to convey by posting it?

That something that can be wrong and a threat to the democratic process without being technically illegal?  How insightful!   Where else might that apply?

Or maybe you were pointing out that the totally predicted politicization of intelligence by Grenell will now be used to go after Trump's political enemies, after our "president" couldn't get Ukraine to do it for him?  Also a good point!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #34280 on: May 14, 2020, 09:02:41 AM »

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"

They used it to warn the incoming administration that there was a fox in the henhouse, behind closed doors, and to pursue an investigation into one member of Trump's cabinet that did not come into light until months after he took power.

Another example of Democrats not getting how politicization of intelligence and investigations works.  You have to do it before the election guys!  They sure do have a lot to learn from their Republican counterparts.
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« Reply #34281 on: May 14, 2020, 09:08:07 AM »

I go back to the now well-documented episode where Obama told McConnell that the Russians were interfering with the election to try to get Trump elected, and McConnell said he would take it as a partisan attack on the democratic process if Obama publicized that fact.  So he didn't!

Put aside that Republicans would later try to use that decision against him (Obama did nothing!) which is reprehensible in and of itself, but can anyone here imagine McConnell keeping his mouth shut if the situation was reversed?

I'd love for REDSTATEWARD to post "Yes, McConnell would have kept it a secret if he knew that Russia was hacking into Republican emails, spreading disinformation, (both with the possible help of the campaign) and attempting to hack into voting systems (in an effort that may or may not have been successful) in an attempt to get Hillary Clinton elected.  None of us would have known until after the election."

Please.  Post it.
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« Reply #34282 on: May 14, 2020, 09:41:59 AM »

I go back to the now well-documented episode where Obama told McConnell that the Russians were interfering with the election to try to get Trump elected, and McConnell said he would take it as a partisan attack on the democratic process if Obama publicized that fact.  So he didn't!

Put aside that Republicans would later try to use that decision against him (Obama did nothing!) which is reprehensible in and of itself, but can anyone here imagine McConnell keeping his mouth shut if the situation was reversed?

I'd love for REDSTATEWARD to post "Yes, McConnell would have kept it a secret if he knew that Russia was hacking into Republican emails, spreading disinformation, (both with the possible help of the campaign) and attempting to hack into voting systems (in an effort that may or may not have been successful) in an attempt to get Hillary Clinton elected.  None of us would have known until after the election."

Please.  Post it.

Know what I expect from Red and kiid?

NOTHING.

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« Reply #34283 on: May 14, 2020, 10:27:10 AM »

There's a reason the Republic founders didn't have a two party system in mind.   


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Today, it may seem impossible to imagine the U.S. government without its two leading political parties, Democrats and Republicans. But in 1787, when delegates to the Constitutional Convention gathered in Philadelphia to hash out the foundations of their new government, they entirely omitted political parties from the new nation’s founding document.

This was no accident. The framers of the new Constitution desperately wanted to avoid the divisions that had ripped England apart in the bloody civil wars of the 17th century. Many of them saw parties—or “factions,” as they called them—as corrupt relics of the monarchical British system that they wanted to discard in favor of a truly democratic government...   

https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #34284 on: May 14, 2020, 10:32:59 AM »

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"
Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.
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« Reply #34285 on: May 14, 2020, 10:36:03 AM »

....
Please.  Post it.

Thumbs up to the whole post (which I didn't quote in entirety since it's just 2 posts up)
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« Reply #34286 on: May 14, 2020, 10:54:46 AM »

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"
Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

None of this garbage provides an alternative answer to the question.  You can't even fashion a word salad of untruths that gets to the point.

What did the Obama Administration officials do with the unmasking?  What happened?  They warned the incoming administration that Flynn was compromised, because he was.  And the FBI proceeded with a fully predicated investigation into Trump Campaign ties to Russia (which Flynn provided valuable info into, according to Mueller, and a report commissioned and run by Republicans.)

Not a scrap of evidence that shows any of this was politically motivated, as the Trump appointed IG concluded. 
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« Reply #34287 on: May 14, 2020, 10:58:14 AM »

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"
Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.

None of this garbage provides an alternative answer to the question.  You can't even fashion a word salad of untruths that gets to the point.

What did the Obama Administration officials do with the unmasking?  What happened?  They warned the incoming administration that Flynn was compromised, because he was.  And the FBI proceeded with a fully predicated investigation into Trump Campaign ties to Russia (which Flynn provided valuable info into, according to Mueller, and a report commissioned and run by Republicans.)

Not a scrap of evidence that shows any of this was politically motivated, as the Trump appointed IG concluded.

What are Republicans doing with the declassification of the people who asked for the unmasking?  Shouting their names from the rooftops.

Now who here is politicizing intelligence?
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« Reply #34288 on: May 14, 2020, 11:05:57 AM »

Have to laugh...

A huge Republican defense of Trump pushing for the Ukraine investigation is that it was motivated by a heartfelt concern for corruption.  It was fully justified therefore not political, the argument goes.

So...Russia hacks our Democratic process in order to elect Trump. Trump campaign officials have numerous (literally hundreds) of ties to Russians, including a meeting in fucking Trump Tower.  The Trump campaign publicly lies about what they know about those efforts.  They also lie about financial dealings they have going on in Moscow.  The head of Trump's campaign is sharing polling data with a Putin intermediary.  A top and trusted Trump advisor is coordinating with a known Russian hacking front.   Trump tells Flynn to commission a guy who they thought had Russian contacts to find the so called deleted emails, and he does it...it goes on...

You could argue that none of this is evidence of collusion if you like.  You'd be wrong, but sure, live in your aluminum foil helmet. 

But to argue that none of this justifies an investigation, and that looking into any of this must be a politically motivated hoax?

That's whackadoodle, man.  Republicans are pathetic.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #34289 on: May 14, 2020, 11:11:09 AM »

What did the Obama Administration do with the "unmasking?"
Follow the documented evidence . The unmasking of Flynn started after Trump named  the General to become his National Security AdVisor in November of 2016.  This was just days after Obama personally advised Trump  not to. From the middle of November almost to Inauguration Day 50 unmasking requests were made by 39 Obama administration officials. The list was published yesterday.  Not all of them were granted. UN Ambassador Samantha Power asked 7 times.( later she said she doesn’t recall asking at all)
Joe Biden asked on January 8, 2017- a week before becoming a private citizen.
The now infamous Flynn/Kisylak meeting happened in December so why did the unmasking requests start in November. Simple. The spying on the Trump Campaign was doomed to fail if Flynn was National Security Advisor. He had to go. As soon as the Kislyak connection was made the classified info was leaked to the Washington Post( illegal, someone will be going to jail for that). At about the same time Jim Comey began his push to get a special prosecutor appointed(while coaxing FISA warrants by pushing a phoney dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton) to investigate “ collusion”, then Flynn was trapped into a lie, Jeff Sessions recused himself from overseeing the Investigation soon to be headed by Robert Mueller. Interestingly every Obama official called to testify before Congress(under oath) admitted they saw no collusion. Neither did Mueller when it was all over. 
Now we see the spotlight being turned on the hole hiding the gang of Obama partisans. Biden’s hilarious interview with ABC this week does not bode well for his or the party’s future.


“There is more to come about Obamagate, and we will be stunned, because the horror of it all is clear. One of the many facets of Obamagate is that it prevented people from telling Michael Flynn that lying to the FBI was a crime, even if they were investigating something else; had he realized this, he would not have lied to the FBI, probably? It is a commonly known fact (just as commonly known as that Obamagate is ancient and horrible) that it is polite to lie to the FBI unless you are explicitly instructed not to.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/13/obamagate-was-worst-crime-ever-committed-here-is-what-it-was/

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