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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[barton]

Please give examples of how Trump helped businesses create jobs.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

Naive. The effect of regulation roll - backs by the Trump Administration led to the best labor market in history, especially for minorities.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

And the other part of his premise,  that governments don't create jobs,  is flat wrong and reveals complete ignorance of basic economics and history.   Both private and public sector employment have long been mainstays of our society.

Government creates jobs, but nowhere close to what the private sector does.
Every government job requires money that would be available to the private employers.

[LarryBnDC]

The policies have created the greatest global economic disruption in history, with trillions of dollars of lost economic output. These financial losses have been falsely portrayed as purely economic. To the contrary, using numerous National Institutes of Health Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables, we calculate that these policies will cause devastating non-economic consequences that will total millions of accumulated years of life lost in the United States, far beyond what the virus itself has caused.



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

  Oddly, Scott W. Atlas, John R. Birge, Ralphy Keeney and Alexander Lipton don't seem to offer any opinion as to what would have happened if millions of people (here and world wide) would have died if governments did not apply a "COVID-19 mitigation policy of broad societal lockdown focuse[d] on containing the spread of the disease at all costs.

That would have been speculative, at best, and not very shocking.
The report they did put together relied on facts reported by
National Institutes of Health, Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables.
In just the US alone 38 million people are out of work.
The 100,000 deaths reflect, at minimum, 67,000 people who were not part of the work force.

In most of the remaining cases some never got sick and most of the others returned to work shortly after recovering from mild symptoms.

Tote that barge...
https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2020/05/19/make-no-mistake-the-reopen-protests-are-all-about-white-privilege/

White folks appear to be ready to sacrifice Gramps so they can get back to their everyday of hamburgers, water parks and hairdos, even though we are in the midst of a global pandemic that has killed 90,000 Americans to date.




A fucking broken record...

Where’s the lie?

[josh]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

Naive. The effect of regulation roll - backs by the Trump Administration led to the best labor market in history, especially for minorities.

No, the simple progression of time did that.

Regulations save businesses money and create more jobs. They also save lives, but you folks only care about lives when you can use them to make a point. BENGHAZI! (But not COVID-19.)

You must have skipped those posts.

[NeedsAdjustments]

But the former Obama White House official noted that Trump gets high marks for the economy even amid the downturn, and put the challenge for Democrats bluntly: “I don’t think this is a challenge for the Biden campaign. This is the challenge for the Biden campaign.”




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-pre-election-economic-surge-seal-trump

I'd say this is wrong.  This is the challenge for Trump.  Biden of course had many many arguments for why he is better suited than Trump for the job.  And that was before Trump's dear-in-the-headlights nonresponse to the biggest crisis our country has experienced in decades. 

It was Trump whose argument for reelect was based entirely on the economy (outside of his base, of course, that enjoys all the racism,  and owning the libs, and the grievances, whatever it is about this total asshole that they like.)  Which his supporters know, of course, which is why they are all pushing to reopen the economy when almost half the states are still seeing rises in cases.

On the likelihood of that "V-shaped recovery" in the fall, this is far from a given.   Naturally, its possible, and likely that we will see some rapid escalation in re-employment numbers (Trump will tout the record rate of "job creation" when this will be jobs coming back.)

But, this recovery probably won't be a V.  Businesses have closed permanently.  And when the others reopen, it won't be at full capacity.  Restaurants and bars won't be able to pack people in the way they used to, neither will movie theaters.  Sports events and concerts will be different experiences for the foreseeable future, not the least because it will be years before people will feel the same way going to one of these types of events.  The loss of travel, tourism, retail...its created a hole in the economy.  One that won't be filled quickly.  Let alone before the fall election.

Its more likely that we are facing an economic crisis more on par with the Great Depression than a recovery equitable to a natural disaster. 

[josh]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

And the other part of his premise,  that governments don't create jobs,  is flat wrong and reveals complete ignorance of basic economics and history.   Both private and public sector employment have long been mainstays of our society.

Government creates jobs, but nowhere close to what the private sector does.
Every government job requires money that would be available to the private employers.

Like when we cut business taxes and they bought back stock instead of adding jobs.

[josh]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/23/1947216/-Twitter-has-a-field-day-after-Republican-candidate-rage-tweets-Pottery-Barn-over-COVID-19-policies?detail=emaildkre

[NeedsAdjustments]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

Naive. The effect of regulation roll - backs by the Trump Administration led to the best labor market in history, especially for minorities.

Obama created more jobs.

[NeedsAdjustments]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

And the other part of his premise,  that governments don't create jobs,  is flat wrong and reveals complete ignorance of basic economics and history.   Both private and public sector employment have long been mainstays of our society.

Government creates jobs, but nowhere close to what the private sector does.
Every government job requires money that would be available to the private employers.

Like when we cut business taxes and they bought back stock instead of adding jobs.

Right.

This isn't fucking hard.  Sure, the private sector is the more efficient and preferred means for job creation.  Jobs will always be needed in the public sector, but no one wants private sector success to be dependent on government intervention. 

When the private sector is not generating jobs due to a lack of demand (like when a housing bubble bursts and people lose their jobs and savings so don't want to spend, or like when there is a global pandemic that requires people stay inside to prevent millions of deaths) then the government needs to step in and spend to prevent unnecessary suffering and to put the economy back on its feet.

[kiidcarter8]

attaboy...

[kiidcarter8]

This should be a fun ride

Economy at its lowest quarter 2 - Trump down in polls - then SOARS in 3rd quarter as Biden camp scrambles

Good theatre indeed.

[kiidcarter8]

The policies have created the greatest global economic disruption in history, with trillions of dollars of lost economic output. These financial losses have been falsely portrayed as purely economic. To the contrary, using numerous National Institutes of Health Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables, we calculate that these policies will cause devastating non-economic consequences that will total millions of accumulated years of life lost in the United States, far beyond what the virus itself has caused.



https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

  Oddly, Scott W. Atlas, John R. Birge, Ralphy Keeney and Alexander Lipton don't seem to offer any opinion as to what would have happened if millions of people (here and world wide) would have died if governments did not apply a "COVID-19 mitigation policy of broad societal lockdown focuse[d] on containing the spread of the disease at all costs.

That would have been speculative, at best, and not very shocking.
The report they did put together relied on facts reported by
National Institutes of Health, Public Access publications, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Bureau of Labor Statistics data, and various actuarial tables.
In just the US alone 38 million people are out of work.
The 100,000 deaths reflect, at minimum, 67,000 people who were not part of the work force.

In most of the remaining cases some never got sick and most of the others returned to work shortly after recovering from mild symptoms.

Tote that barge...
https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2020/05/19/make-no-mistake-the-reopen-protests-are-all-about-white-privilege/

White folks appear to be ready to sacrifice Gramps so they can get back to their everyday of hamburgers, water parks and hairdos, even though we are in the midst of a global pandemic that has killed 90,000 Americans to date.




A fucking broken record...

Where’s the lie?

No, no - keep it up

Plays quite well to your audience

If you have the balls, publish on a more down the middle medium.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

And the other part of his premise,  that governments don't create jobs,  is flat wrong and reveals complete ignorance of basic economics and history.   Both private and public sector employment have long been mainstays of our society.

Government creates jobs, but nowhere close to what the private sector does.
Every government job requires money that would be available to the private employers.

Like when we cut business taxes and they bought back stock instead of adding jobs.

Right.

This isn't fucking hard.  Sure, the private sector is the more efficient and preferred means for job creation.  Jobs will always be needed in the public sector, but no one wants private sector success to be dependent on government intervention. 

When the private sector is not generating jobs due to a lack of demand (like when a housing bubble bursts and people lose their jobs and savings so don't want to spend, or like when there is a global pandemic that requires people stay inside to prevent millions of deaths) then the government needs to step in and spend to prevent unnecessary suffering and to put the economy back on its feet.

LOL!
Of course the housing bubble was a creation of the Government mishandling of Mortages while the pandemic lockdown was a mismanagement of state governments.

[LarryBnDC]

Please give examples of how Trump created a booming economy.


Business owners, not governments, create jobs

Trump and his people just made this process much, much easier.

Not in any way discernible from the numbers.

Employers do not hire people because the process is easier. They hire them because they need workers for production.

And the other part of his premise,  that governments don't create jobs,  is flat wrong and reveals complete ignorance of basic economics and history.   Both private and public sector employment have long been mainstays of our society.

Government creates jobs, but nowhere close to what the private sector does.
Every government job requires money that would be available to the private employers.

Like when we cut business taxes and they bought back stock instead of adding jobs.