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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

David Dorn is just as dead as George Floyd.

You, too, can set up a protest, if you want, Bambi.

Otherwise, this is just posturing on your part, especially since you have been clear that you will do nothing for nobody unless you are rewarded for it.

[facilitatorn]

Biden will be the 45th President in January if the nation hasn’t fallen by then. Trump is a house breaker committing a long and extensive robbery of the nation’s goods. The only way he gets a number is when they issue one to him with his orange jumpsuit.

[josh]

Dorn was killed by criminals.  They have been caught and will be punished.  What's to protest?


Like with many matters, folks get upset when a certain side or the other does not speak out on each misstep by their brethren.

Trump suppoters - or you could categorize it differently - are more likely to say something about Dorn's death.  Never Trumpers will not speak on this - but it doesnt mean they condone the action.

Blah, blah, blah.

You can join your friends and talk without doing a damned thing to make things better - even in the ways you claim are important.

[josh]

Poll puts Trump down 14 points to Biden in general election showdown

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/poll-trump-down-14-points-to-biden-in-general-election-showdown

before everyone dies of c19 or police brutality

That poll - some would call it an outlier - should right itself next week

General Election: Trump vs. Biden   The Hill/HarrisX   Biden 47, Trump 37   Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden   CNN   Biden 55, Trump 41   Biden +14

Not much of an outlier.

And yes, it should correct itself, perhaps to Biden +18.

[josh]

People are not protesting Floyd's death  but the toxic police culture and institutional racism that is behind it.  His.death is an example, a symbol, and a flash point.  Not the subject.

How convenient.

How true. And that is the only sardine you are getting from me on this subject.

Obviously.  Since science refutes your bias (along with common sense).

What are you talking about?! "Science" doesn't refute anything he said.

[josh]

You're still missing my point. It's not about Fox or CNN or NYT. It's basic human psychology.

Here:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-couch/201712/how-confirmation-bias-affects-you-every-single-day

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~baron/papers/dittoresp.pdf argues that liberals are less prone to cognitive bias.

conversely:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103116304024

But there is more than one kind of bias, which suggests that the impact of our biases may not be the same:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2017/may/26/negativity-bias-why-conservatives-are-more-swayed-by-threats-than-liberals

I found this piece particularly interesting, but that may just be my own biases!

https://www.firstpersonpolitics.com/confirmation-bias-how-the-left-resists-it-and-the-right-enlists-it/#.Xt_OcEVKg2w

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2020/06/09/trumps-trapped-in-his-own-bunker-of-fear-with-his-fan-base-of-right-wing-cowards/

[josh]

Is Trump buried?  I honestly don't think we can state this til at least mid September.

I honestly don't think anyone is stating that.  Yankguy still thinks Trump will win.

What we can state is that the polling landscape is very bad for Trump; approval headed below 40%, +9 generic ballot lead for Congressional Democrats, and of course national polling that puts Biden's position in line with that of a popular incumbent.

And while yes, 2016 demonstrated the limits of national polls in predicting the electoral college winner, and state polling has more noise, there are good signs there for Biden too.  He is leading in some polls in Georgia and Texas, for fucks sake.

The Trump Administration has been terrible and the polling reflects it.  But we know Trump will play dirty, and we know Republicans in Congress will stand behind him no matter what it means for our Democracy.  So yeah, there are unknowns.

I think Trump is toast.

Regardless...

.....forever 45th POTUS

Much to our dismay and the country's suffering.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.dcreport.org/2020/06/09/whose-law-whose-order/

If for no other reason than the use of “ilk” in the headline.

[CaptainCargo]

Cap I think Fox distorts its news shows to further a politcal view. Ailes created Fox to protect and promote Republican interests. And thats what it does. And prime time talking heads (opinion not news), Hannity, Carlson, Ingrham are totally in the Trump bag. IMO there is no objectivity on prime time Fox. Again they know they're bullshitting but they don't care. They feed the base a lot of red meat even if it ultimately gives them heart disease.

MSNBC editorial take is almost a mirror political image, but I do not think they distort facts to shape it to a political view. They promote a liberal agenda. And they are selective in their presentations. But knowing the biases I still generally trust their take 

CNN is reasonably neutral in its presentation of facts but it does have an anti-Trump feel to it. but then again Trump has been trying to destroy dissent and free speech in this country for 3 years, and has bashed CNN as fake news, so a spirited defense is IMO warranted.

and I realize you can rationalize the MSNBC/Fox biases as a wash, but one is far more toxic than the other.

I respect your viewpoint Rich. But I am still firmly of the mind that both are incredible homers for their cause/s. And both unabashedly spout out biased propaganda by the truckload.

If I ever saw a news broadcaster these days (any broadcaster) just reporting the news without try to nuance it one way or the other I think I'd fall over with shock.

[facilitatorn]

If trump is numbered among the presidents at all he gets number 37.2

[CaptainCargo]

Poll puts Trump down 14 points to Biden in general election showdown

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/poll-trump-down-14-points-to-biden-in-general-election-showdown

before everyone dies of c19 or police brutality

.




That poll - some would call it an outlier - should right itself next week

General Election: Trump vs. Biden   The Hill/HarrisX   Biden 47, Trump 37   Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden   CNN   Biden 55, Trump 41   Biden +14

Not much of an outlier.

And yes, it should correct itself, perhaps to Biden +18.

Hillary also had the election sewn up before the voting began

[bodiddley]

Take the Confederate Names Off Our Army Bases

[CaptainCargo]

Take the Confederate Names Off Our Army Bases

Agreed.

[josh]

Poll puts Trump down 14 points to Biden in general election showdown

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/poll-trump-down-14-points-to-biden-in-general-election-showdown

before everyone dies of c19 or police brutality

.




That poll - some would call it an outlier - should right itself next week

General Election: Trump vs. Biden   The Hill/HarrisX   Biden 47, Trump 37   Biden +10
General Election: Trump vs. Biden   CNN   Biden 55, Trump 41   Biden +14

Not much of an outlier.

And yes, it should correct itself, perhaps to Biden +18.

Hillary also had the election sewn up before the voting began

I don't believe the election is sewn up, Cap.

I also don't believe that Biden will have a Comey-like scenario, but I could of course be mistaken.

My comment was purely a counter to the absurdity of Kid's comment.