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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Echo4]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/nursing-homes-ppe-defective-equipment-fema/index.html

Not the President's fault, because nothing is the president's fault.

[facilitatorn]

Hearing the March passing thick and heavy up  through University Ave.. Think I may head out for a stroll and film some cops to help their resolve to stay on their best behavior.

[LarryBnDC]

NEWS FLASH!

We have found Antifa!


https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/08/st-paul-man-wore-stolen-police-gear-days-after-third-precinct-burned-charges-say/

posted that yesterday

We’re you cracking wise? I thought I was. Damn.

[bankshot1]

Everyone wants the same thing. No matter their culture.

That's just not true, beyond Maslow's bottom tier.

Just a simple single example:

There are people who would rather get less money if it means being ahead of their neighbors than get more money but have it be the same as their neighbors get.

I find that personally unfathomable, but reluctantly admit that it seems to be true. But it sure is a divergence from "the same thing!"

Perhaps I should be more clear. Everyone wants ready access to quality health care, housing, education, steady income, security, and a future for their children. But I understand the notion behind John Prine's song, "Some Humans Ain't Human", too. (Song found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIWotODqidE)

I think that the way forward for our country is to acknowledge the needs of everyone, and to consider everyone as worthy of having those needs met and in fair and just ways. Our system allows for great debate on just how to do so, and I believe that setting the goal of providing fair access to those things I just mentioned in the last paragraph is what needs to take place.

That's what Biden has to do. George H. W. Bush called it "the vision thing". Setting that vision for all is far more important to gathering the nation together, IMO, than strictly attacking the dark forces of Trump.

Come on.

America told Obama to get that shit out of here.

White America has consistently voted Republican against their own interests because they think the policies will deny access to minorities who do only want free stuff.
They feel they should get the same policies because they have either earned them or they deserve them When the policies they voted against don’t benefit them, either they blame it on the mooches and takers of the “inner city.”

Remember when Trump shut down the government (ever notice how many times in the GOP closed down the government or default on our debts to get their way?) and when the pain hit a woman whose husband was in service and therefore getting boned, she complained Trump wasn’t hurting the people he’s supposed to hurt!

LBJ once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. Give him someone to blame and he’ll lick your pecker and tickle your bunghole!”

Are you saying things won't change because "White America" is too committed to racism to change?

No I think Knicks is saying America won't change because pols will exploit the poorest white trash because they want their pecker licked and bunghole tickled.

He may have a point.

[LarryBnDC]

I was trying to get the facts straight with regards to the officers.

How long they were officers will matter to their defense, as can be seen by the lawyers bringing it up.  It makes their deference appear more reasonable and them more sympathetic to a jury. 

From what I saw of the videos, the two rookie officers did an entirely credible job of dealing with Mr. Floyd, until the time Chauvin showed up, pulled Floyd out of the police vehicle and pinned him down.  Assisting him with that could be deemed reasonable as well, though you don't need three officers to pin a guy who is handcuffed behind his back and not resisting.  While deferring to a superior officer is normal as well.   So most or all of their actions can be portrayed as reasonable.  Meaning they were trying to be responsible police.

It really comes down to the length of time they helped pin Floyd, and whether they knew exactly what Chauvin was doing (how much pressure, where, etc).  They'll probably also say they relied on Chauvin's partner a 9 year vet who presumably knew Chauvin well, to monitor the situation and keep things under control.   Though that could depend on if their trials are together or separate and what Tao testifies to. 

The two rook officers certainly heard Floyd's distress and bystanders complain of the harm being done.  That audio plus obviously the video is the evidence that damns them.  3 guys pinning a handcuffed man face down for such a long time is unreasonable and certainly bad judgment.  I'm not sure what standard will be used, perhaps gross negligence.  And before you can charge anyone with aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder, I assume you need to prove the 2nd degree murder charge first. 

I certainly wouldn't want to be a policeman who gets sent to jail.  Especially Chauvin in such a notorious case.  I assume if convicted he wouldn't be mixed with the regular prison population, because he wouldn't last too long that way.

A number of time Officer Lane tried to get Chauvin to consider rolling Floyd on his side

Check video of attorney with CNN's Cuomo if you can find it.

The contention was also that yes, they needed to pin his legs

Murderers all...

[LarryBnDC]

Everyone wants the same thing. No matter their culture.

That's just not true, beyond Maslow's bottom tier.

Just a simple single example:

There are people who would rather get less money if it means being ahead of their neighbors than get more money but have it be the same as their neighbors get.

I find that personally unfathomable, but reluctantly admit that it seems to be true. But it sure is a divergence from "the same thing!"

Perhaps I should be more clear. Everyone wants ready access to quality health care, housing, education, steady income, security, and a future for their children. But I understand the notion behind John Prine's song, "Some Humans Ain't Human", too. (Song found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIWotODqidE)

I think that the way forward for our country is to acknowledge the needs of everyone, and to consider everyone as worthy of having those needs met and in fair and just ways. Our system allows for great debate on just how to do so, and I believe that setting the goal of providing fair access to those things I just mentioned in the last paragraph is what needs to take place.

That's what Biden has to do. George H. W. Bush called it "the vision thing". Setting that vision for all is far more important to gathering the nation together, IMO, than strictly attacking the dark forces of Trump.

Come on.

America told Obama to get that shit out of here.

White America has consistently voted Republican against their own interests because they think the policies will deny access to minorities who do only want free stuff.
They feel they should get the same policies because they have either earned them or they deserve them When the policies they voted against don’t benefit them, either they blame it on the mooches and takers of the “inner city.”

Remember when Trump shut down the government (ever notice how many times in the GOP closed down the government or default on our debts to get their way?) and when the pain hit a woman whose husband was in service and therefore getting boned, she complained Trump wasn’t hurting the people he’s supposed to hurt!

LBJ once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. Give him someone to blame and he’ll lick your pecker and tickle your bunghole!”

Are you saying things won't change because "White America" is too committed to racism to change?

I’m saying things haven’t changed because WHITE AMERICA has been too committed to racism to change.

I’ve said several times over the last two weeks I have never been this hopeful for 5he future in my entire adult life.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Everyone wants the same thing. No matter their culture.

That's just not true, beyond Maslow's bottom tier.

Just a simple single example:

There are people who would rather get less money if it means being ahead of their neighbors than get more money but have it be the same as their neighbors get.

I find that personally unfathomable, but reluctantly admit that it seems to be true. But it sure is a divergence from "the same thing!"

Perhaps I should be more clear. Everyone wants ready access to quality health care, housing, education, steady income, security, and a future for their children. But I understand the notion behind John Prine's song, "Some Humans Ain't Human", too. (Song found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIWotODqidE)

I think that the way forward for our country is to acknowledge the needs of everyone, and to consider everyone as worthy of having those needs met and in fair and just ways. Our system allows for great debate on just how to do so, and I believe that setting the goal of providing fair access to those things I just mentioned in the last paragraph is what needs to take place.

That's what Biden has to do. George H. W. Bush called it "the vision thing". Setting that vision for all is far more important to gathering the nation together, IMO, than strictly attacking the dark forces of Trump.

Come on.

America told Obama to get that shit out of here.

White America has consistently voted Republican against their own interests because they think the policies will deny access to minorities who do only want free stuff.
They feel they should get the same policies because they have either earned them or they deserve them When the policies they voted against don’t benefit them, either they blame it on the mooches and takers of the “inner city.”

Remember when Trump shut down the government (ever notice how many times in the GOP closed down the government or default on our debts to get their way?) and when the pain hit a woman whose husband was in service and therefore getting boned, she complained Trump wasn’t hurting the people he’s supposed to hurt!

LBJ once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. Give him someone to blame and he’ll lick your pecker and tickle your bunghole!”

Are you saying things won't change because "White America" is too committed to racism to change?

I’m saying things haven’t changed because WHITE AMERICA has been too committed to racism to change.

I’ve said several times over the last two weeks I have never been this hopeful for 5he future in my entire adult life.

Yes, haven't changed. But I believe it can change, and perhaps there is much more will to have it change than perhaps either of us may know.

But it starts with each of us. You and me and all other Americans, not just a portion of America.

Vote.

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/10/president-trump-plans-race-relations-roundtable-discussion-at-dallas-church/

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theringer.com/2020/6/10/21285989/donald-trump-american-carnage-inaugural-address

The trump admin has pushed the Knicks off the top of the list of most dysfunctional franchises in the sports pages.

Don’t think he’ll be welcome in Florida either.

[kiidcarter8]

Hearing the March passing thick and heavy up  through University Ave.. Think I may head out for a stroll and film some cops to help their resolve to stay on their best behavior.

University of Mars?

[Echo4]

I was trying to get the facts straight with regards to the officers.

How long they were officers will matter to their defense, as can be seen by the lawyers bringing it up.  It makes their deference appear more reasonable and them more sympathetic to a jury. 

From what I saw of the videos, the two rookie officers did an entirely credible job of dealing with Mr. Floyd, until the time Chauvin showed up, pulled Floyd out of the police vehicle and pinned him down.  Assisting him with that could be deemed reasonable as well, though you don't need three officers to pin a guy who is handcuffed behind his back and not resisting.  While deferring to a superior officer is normal as well.   So most or all of their actions can be portrayed as reasonable.  Meaning they were trying to be responsible police.

It really comes down to the length of time they helped pin Floyd, and whether they knew exactly what Chauvin was doing (how much pressure, where, etc).  They'll probably also say they relied on Chauvin's partner a 9 year vet who presumably knew Chauvin well, to monitor the situation and keep things under control.   Though that could depend on if their trials are together or separate and what Tao testifies to. 

The two rook officers certainly heard Floyd's distress and bystanders complain of the harm being done.  That audio plus obviously the video is the evidence that damns them.  3 guys pinning a handcuffed man face down for such a long time is unreasonable and certainly bad judgment.  I'm not sure what standard will be used, perhaps gross negligence.  And before you can charge anyone with aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder, I assume you need to prove the 2nd degree murder charge first. 

I certainly wouldn't want to be a policeman who gets sent to jail.  Especially Chauvin in such a notorious case.  I assume if convicted he wouldn't be mixed with the regular prison population, because he wouldn't last too long that way.

A number of time Officer Lane tried to get Chauvin to consider rolling Floyd on his side

Check video of attorney with CNN's Cuomo if you can find it.

The contention was also that yes, they needed to pin his legs

Murderers all...

Kid's definition of "tried" involves no physical effort and no effort to get help to stop it.

[bambu.]

LBJ once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. Give him someone to blame and he’ll lick your pecker and tickle your bunghole!”

Never liked him.

"All the way with LBJ"...baaah!

[Echo4]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/10/president-trump-plans-race-relations-roundtable-discussion-at-dallas-church/

President Trump plans his first campaign rally...

for Juneteenth.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/06/10/trump-to-start-campaign-rallies-on-juneteenth-in-tulsa-oklahoma-where-coronavirus-cases-are-spiking/#1fb16afb225c

[Echo4]

LBJ once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. Give him someone to blame and he’ll lick your pecker and tickle your bunghole!”

Never liked him.

Hate truth tellers, do you?

[facilitatorn]

LBJ once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. Give him someone to blame and he’ll lick your pecker and tickle your bunghole!”

Never liked him.

"All the way with LBJ"...baaah!

You much prefer emptying your pockets. We know. You tell us all the time.