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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

But no - Mr Brooks didn't need to be killed. 

Great!  Now ask yourself if given the history it is really so unreasonable for people to suspect that he would not have been killed if he was a white guy.

Which of course is where Black Lives Matter comes from.  Implicit or explicit bias doesn't matter.  End result is that he didn't get that extra moment where the cop asks "OK, he hit me and stole my taser but he is drunk maybe high out of his mind, does he really need to die for that?"

My response was to Bo

One at a time now


The little bit of trouble I am having is with Bo's "it would have been fine for them to just let him run away".

[LarryBnDC]

Didn't they already have his ID and his car?  So they knew who exactly who he was.
 So it's not a big deal if he actually runs away.  He wasn't going to get away with anything.  He didn't need to be killed for falling sleep drunk in his car and then scuffling to avoid being tased.  if you have the authority to use deadly force, you need to have good judgemnt.

Striking an officer is a felony

But no - Mr Brooks didn't need to be killed.  Would have preferred more aggression, maybe a spear tackle.  But is this something to be shown approval from the populace?

Shot twice in the back while running away.

Not even close..

[Echo4]

"if only they had been compliant" is blaming the murder victim.   People are rightly scared of cops,  and it's to be expected they will not always act rationally.   If police aren't trained to deal with that,  and to defuse fear,  then they need to be replaced with those who are.   

When a woman is murdered by her husband, we don't sit around talking about "gosh,  she could really have handled that marital argument differently... "

We don't. Plenty of them do.

And yes, it's a we/them thing.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Somebody please explain Spike Lee's flip-flop on Woody Allen.

 To me, it looks like he is somehow reenacting the Cultural Revolution of China. Spike is acting like he is afraid his family is going to get jailed or killed because he doesn't express the values of the party.

"I'd just like to say Woody Allen is a great, great filmmaker and this cancel thing is not just Woody," said Lee ... "And I think when we look back on it we are going to see that -- short of killing somebody -- I don't know that you can just erase somebody like they never existed."

Hours later...
"I Deeply Apologize. My Words Were WRONG."

"I Do Not And Will Not Tolerate Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence," ..."Such Treatment Causes Real Damage That Can't Be Minimized.-Truly, Spike Lee."

Even though Woody has never been convicted of "Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence" or had such allegations arise from any other source than Crazy Mia's kids. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/entertainment/spike-lee-woody-allen-trnd/index.html

What does it mean to "Do the Right Thing", Spike?

[NeedsAdjustments]

The little bit of trouble I am having is with Bo's "it would have been fine for them to just let him run away".

Given the options the police had left themselves with, its not even close. 

He was stopped because he was drunk, not because he was presenting a threat to public safety.  He did not represent a threat to the cops, and he was fleeing with a weapon that could not cause significant harm to a member of the public (a police baton would have been more dangerous.) 

You think it possible that its justified to take the life of a man under those circumstances? 

And then wonder why people have to be reminded that black lives matter...

[LarryBnDC]

This was painful to watch:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/14/jenna-ellis-white-house-brian-stelter-317693

Where does Trump find these people?  Do they interview them to ensure that they can be dead wrong in the most confident and strident way possible?  Or does that come naturally with being a Trumpist?

It isn’t t just a Trumpism, it’s the entire GOP


This moment has been coming since way before the days the GOP straight up lied the nation into war. This has been a consistent and extremely successful longterm strategy as deliberate as it is insidious. It is, in effect, a Jedi Mind Trick on a massive scale. However we have now arrived at the space and time where the conservative bending of reality has crashed full on into the real-time reality where they are beholden to . . . Donald Trump?

Some of the roots of this tree of crazy can be traced back to the Southern Strategy the GOP employed in the wake of their 1964 national ass-kicking when Barry Goldwater was their presidential nominee.

https://exjournalistsunite.wordpress.com/2020/02/03/were-living-in-the-republican-partys-altered-states/

[LarryBnDC]

Joey's Choice.

“With little traditional campaigning covered in the news, the choice of Biden’s vice president is garnering outsized attention,” said Melissa K. Miller, a professor of political science at Bowling Green State University in Ohio.

What’s more, the 77-year-old politician’s age has prompted questions about whether he would serve two terms as president and put extra focus on his choice for vice president. If he defeats President Donald Trump in the November election, Biden would be 78 when he’s sworn into office and rank as the country’s oldest-ever commander-in-chief, topping Ronald Reagan, who was 77 when he left office and 69 when he entered the White House. Trump is now 73 and was 70 at his swearing-in, so the Republican incumbent currently rates as the oldest president at the start of his time in office.

Some party activists also “wonder whether a carefully chosen vice president could swing the presidential pendulum back in the Democrats’ favor” after Trump’s razor-thin margins of victory in 2016 in the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Miller said. But she cautioned that while research suggests running mates are “chosen in order to maximize the ticket’s chances of winning,” other research suggests the choice has “little demonstrable effect on who wins in November.”


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bidens-running-mate-search-is-getting-outsized-attention-and-could-even-shake-the-stock-market-heres-how-2020-06-10?mod=newsviewer_click

This is 2020 with a global pandemic, an economy in collapse and a nationwide multicolored uprising.

Yep. Just like 2016.

[LarryBnDC]

Somebody please explain Spike Lee's flip-flop on Woody Allen.

 To me, it looks like he is somehow reenacting the Cultural Revolution of China. Spike is acting like he is afraid his family is going to get jailed or killed because he doesn't express the values of the party.

"I'd just like to say Woody Allen is a great, great filmmaker and this cancel thing is not just Woody," said Lee ... "And I think when we look back on it we are going to see that -- short of killing somebody -- I don't know that you can just erase somebody like they never existed."

Hours later...
"I Deeply Apologize. My Words Were WRONG."

"I Do Not And Will Not Tolerate Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence," ..."Such Treatment Causes Real Damage That Can't Be Minimized.-Truly, Spike Lee."

Even though Woody has never been convicted of "Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence" or had such allegations arise from any other source than Crazy Mia's kids. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/entertainment/spike-lee-woody-allen-trnd/index.html

What does it mean to "Do the Right Thing", Spike?

It means you don’t lash yourself to the mast of a sinking ship.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Joey's Choice.

“With little traditional campaigning covered in the news, the choice of Biden’s vice president is garnering outsized attention,” said Melissa K. Miller, a professor of political science at Bowling Green State University in Ohio.

What’s more, the 77-year-old politician’s age has prompted questions about whether he would serve two terms as president and put extra focus on his choice for vice president. If he defeats President Donald Trump in the November election, Biden would be 78 when he’s sworn into office and rank as the country’s oldest-ever commander-in-chief, topping Ronald Reagan, who was 77 when he left office and 69 when he entered the White House. Trump is now 73 and was 70 at his swearing-in, so the Republican incumbent currently rates as the oldest president at the start of his time in office.

Some party activists also “wonder whether a carefully chosen vice president could swing the presidential pendulum back in the Democrats’ favor” after Trump’s razor-thin margins of victory in 2016 in the battleground states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, Miller said. But she cautioned that while research suggests running mates are “chosen in order to maximize the ticket’s chances of winning,” other research suggests the choice has “little demonstrable effect on who wins in November.”


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bidens-running-mate-search-is-getting-outsized-attention-and-could-even-shake-the-stock-market-heres-how-2020-06-10?mod=newsviewer_click

This is 2020 with a global pandemic, an economy in collapse and a nationwide multicolored uprising.

Yep. Just like 2016.

That's a good point. The years are certainly different.

the overarching point, though, is that Joey's Veep choice can greatly impact at least 2 out of 3 of those situations.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Somebody please explain Spike Lee's flip-flop on Woody Allen.

 To me, it looks like he is somehow reenacting the Cultural Revolution of China. Spike is acting like he is afraid his family is going to get jailed or killed because he doesn't express the values of the party.

"I'd just like to say Woody Allen is a great, great filmmaker and this cancel thing is not just Woody," said Lee ... "And I think when we look back on it we are going to see that -- short of killing somebody -- I don't know that you can just erase somebody like they never existed."

Hours later...
"I Deeply Apologize. My Words Were WRONG."

"I Do Not And Will Not Tolerate Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence," ..."Such Treatment Causes Real Damage That Can't Be Minimized.-Truly, Spike Lee."

Even though Woody has never been convicted of "Sexual Harassment, Assault Or Violence" or had such allegations arise from any other source than Crazy Mia's kids. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/entertainment/spike-lee-woody-allen-trnd/index.html

What does it mean to "Do the Right Thing", Spike?

It means you don’t lash yourself to the mast of a sinking ship.

It looks more like, wow---I can't be really honest. I have to feed the crowd what it thinks it wants.

Spike just showed he ain't much of a man, IMO.

[Hamilton Samuels]

You should be able to bring your kid to show them how to exercise their First Amendment Rights without this happening: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/outrage-video-police-mace-child-seattle-protest

[kiidcarter8]

Somebody please explain Spike Lee's flip-flop on Woody Allen.




What could be further from my mind?

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/editorials/tulsa-world-editorial-this-is-the-wrong-time-and-tulsa-is-the-wrong-place-for/article_26388374-1747-5120-bc01-24b81c1b0c78.html

President Donald Trump is coming to town this week for a campaign rally.

It will be his first since such events were suspended earlier this year because of the COVID-19 shutdown.

We don’t know why he chose Tulsa, but we can’t see any way that his visit will be good for the city.

Editorial from The Tulsa World.

[kiidcarter8]

But the bottomline is that this situation should never have escalated to the level it did and these police officers will be doing time and looking for another line of work.



How do you think it should have played out?

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/editorials/tulsa-world-editorial-this-is-the-wrong-time-and-tulsa-is-the-wrong-place-for/article_26388374-1747-5120-bc01-24b81c1b0c78.html

President Donald Trump is coming to town this week for a campaign rally.

It will be his first since such events were suspended earlier this year because of the COVID-19 shutdown.

We don’t know why he chose Tulsa, but we can’t see any way that his visit will be good for the city.

Editorial from The Tulsa World.

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