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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[LarryBnDC]

The Dems need to make the case for the need for a Dem Senate.  They need to go for a full tidal wave landslide.

This is where the Dems could use Soros/Bloomberg PAC money and make very targeted consisent and coherent attacks against the complicity and cowardice of Senate Repubs in empowering and refusing to question an inept authoritarian dangerous nut-job like Trump. 

The Blue Tsunami may hit the US shore hard this year but when waters retreat in the out years and the damage done by the Trump-Repubs become glaringly obvious, its going to up to the Dems to clean up the Repub mess, so they're the ones who will get dirty.

But Repubs will then blame Dems for a slow clean up effort. And that they have the answers to right the ship, hello 2022 off-year elections!

So Dems basically have to run-up the score in 2020, and neuter as many Repubs as possible, gain the WH, House and Senate, clean up the disaster, feeding the hungry, heal the sick, and put together a sane package (maybe infrastructure-jobs, expanded heathcare, continued government support for an ongoing economic recovery, rebuilding US stature with traditional allies,) that doesn't scare mod and indy voters in 2022. Stay the fuck away from medicare for all and soaking the rich and corps in taxes, hold-off  on controversial, divisive stuff, as Dems will need time and consensus to rebuild America, and there will be pain and costs to be borne and likely by those that have disproportionately and unfairly benefitted over the past 40 or so years.

This generation out in the streets aren’t nearly as stupid or racist as previous ones, boomers to be precise.

We have the consensus to fix the nation except from folks who the situation as status quo.

This is the precise time to GO BIG!

Read the room.

If you DON"T want to piss away the chance for long-term meaningful societal reforms, you play it smart, not big.

The room you're reading is in NYC and Washington and SF   

But there are rooms all over the country who are sick of Trump, afraid of Trump, but don't quite trust Dems and BIG govt.

Don't give them a reason to backslide, don't scare them with HUGE medicare plans that will be demonized as taking away their choices, and don't scare them with HUGE tax increases to pay for the HUGE defecits run-up by Trump's avarice.

Play it too big, and you risk losing Congress in 2022 and then the WH in 2024.

Be smart and build an FDR-type coalition of Dems and moderates and Indies multi-race, muli-religion that can achieve long-term societal goals for decades

And which might start to fulfill the promise of the American Dream for all.

But you can't scare the shit out of them coming out of the gate.

YMMV

Fuck the scared people and I’m not reading what you think.

I’m looking at the South because that’s where this election will be won.

Going moderate fixes things just enough and takes long enough for memories to fade but not this time, the damage is too big,

Don’t forget President Blackenstein ain’t on the ballot and good luck running a fear of the radical leftist mob with Uncle Joe Biden at the top of the ticket.

Turn the page.

Have you noticed who is winning the Democratic Primaries?

Knicks a big chunk of this country are white/moderate center-right leaning who are out of work and finally seeing the danger of an inept Trump

They didn't get pissed over Russia or Ukraine, they got pissed because they got sick and then lost their jobs.

And then since they were out of work and watching TV they saw George Floyd get murdered.

And since they were already angry they got more pissed as injustice was piled on injustice

If you're smart there's a good chance of grabbing a big chunk of those voters for a long time, as you peel away the injustices

and make them feel more secure


I'd like to think racism disappeared overnight with the mass epiphany of the horror of Floyd murder, but call me skeptical.
 
Its been going away for a long time, but in some regards Floyd's death (forgive me) was a watershed moment.

Don't piss the opportunity away.

Fuck GO BIG

Be smart.

and before lioning the social justice warriors on the streets, let me see them show up and vote, ok?

get elected first,
repair the damage done by Trump
domestic and foreign
get people health insurance and health care
start rebuilding infrastructure
which will lead to jobs
and food on the table

and people spending money and feeling like there's a future for their kids

rebuild our foreign alliances

and then maybe you got a shit ton of new dedicated loyal voters to help re-shape a better America.

So repair first and then think about how to remodel.

or you could scare the shit out of them in 2020-22 and piss away the best chance in a long time to captialize on the greed and corruption of the Repubs.

and end up back in the fucking leaking house and the fucking Repubs are on the roof taking a piss.

Wait a minute.

I’m the one saying Biden just has to stay out of Trump's self immolation. He’ll get elected with a strong house and maybe even a Senate Majority.

Once the election is over and you have majorities you step on any pushback from them GOP.

DO YOU THEN NIBBLE AROUND THE EDGES OR GO HUGE?

If you think that’s the time for moderates you don’t know how this works.

Sometimes you should read what I’m saying,

You don’t have to go big and scare stupid white folks in the campaign. But if you try not to scare them once you have the opportunity to really improve the nation you’re play into the conservative game.

White folks fought Obamacare tooth and nail and like I said way back then it was stupid. I also said once the camels nose is under the edge of the tent he is all 5he way inside.

I also said good luck trying to take something away from folks once they have it a la Social Security and Medicare.

Now we’re in this pandemic and the GOP is suing to kill the ACA.

Fuck. Joe Biden is running a perfect campaign. The generation in the streets see the world through different lens than the old farts in here.

[LarryBnDC]

The Dems need to make the case for the need for a Dem Senate.  They need to go for a full tidal wave landslide.

This is where the Dems could use Soros/Bloomberg PAC money and make very targeted consisent and coherent attacks against the complicity and cowardice of Senate Repubs in empowering and refusing to question an inept authoritarian dangerous nut-job like Trump. 

The Blue Tsunami may hit the US shore hard this year but when waters retreat in the out years and the damage done by the Trump-Repubs become glaringly obvious, its going to up to the Dems to clean up the Repub mess, so they're the ones who will get dirty.

But Repubs will then blame Dems for a slow clean up effort. And that they have the answers to right the ship, hello 2022 off-year elections!

So Dems basically have to run-up the score in 2020, and neuter as many Repubs as possible, gain the WH, House and Senate, clean up the disaster, feeding the hungry, heal the sick, and put together a sane package (maybe infrastructure-jobs, expanded heathcare, continued government support for an ongoing economic recovery, rebuilding US stature with traditional allies,) that doesn't scare mod and indy voters in 2022. Stay the fuck away from medicare for all and soaking the rich and corps in taxes, hold-off  on controversial, divisive stuff, as Dems will need time and consensus to rebuild America, and there will be pain and costs to be borne and likely by those that have disproportionately and unfairly benefitted over the past 40 or so years.

This generation out in the streets aren’t nearly as stupid or racist as previous ones, boomers to be precise.

We have the consensus to fix the nation except from folks who the situation as status quo.

This is the precise time to GO BIG!

Read the room.

If you DON"T want to piss away the chance for long-term meaningful societal reforms, you play it smart, not big.

The room you're reading is in NYC and Washington and SF   

But there are rooms all over the country who are sick of Trump, afraid of Trump, but don't quite trust Dems and BIG govt.

Don't give them a reason to backslide, don't scare them with HUGE medicare plans that will be demonized as taking away their choices, and don't scare them with HUGE tax increases to pay for the HUGE defecits run-up by Trump's avarice.

Play it too big, and you risk losing Congress in 2022 and then the WH in 2024.

Be smart and build an FDR-type coalition of Dems and moderates and Indies multi-race, muli-religion that can achieve long-term societal goals for decades

And which might start to fulfill the promise of the American Dream for all.

But you can't scare the shit out of them coming out of the gate.

YMMV

Pragmatic approach. Get elected, first. Then, "go big".

Getting elected first goes without saying.

As far as platform well you dance with the one who brung you.

Who brought Joe Biden to the dance?

Who is going to elect him?

The coalition that elected Obama in 2008.

What was Democrats mistake in 2009?

Didn’t go big enough fast enough.

a) Trusting Joe Lieberman.
b) Too few preset legislative plans that they could ram through w/their supermajority
c) Not enough judges lined up and ready to go.
d) Believing the GOP ever wanted to work on a bipartisan basis in those years.

Yeah, too bad judges were selected for their qualifications and experience rather than blind ideology.

The didn’t believe GOP wanted to work together but go back to the press coverage of the time and everything was about “reaching across the aisle” to get “something done.”

Plus couldn’t play hardball because GOP did not give a fuck about any damage caused. Fought all kind of spending under the guise of fiscal responsibility.

Notice how Pelosi told Tm Scott to shove that pos reform bill up his ass? Yet all the talking heads asked a Democrats how could they “get something done” if they didn’t seek compromise. In other words why won’t you try and polish that turd for the GOP.

Yeah. No.

New ballgame after the election.



For this election?

White people have a choice between an old white guy who we know is at bottom a decent man or an old white guy who is a raving lunatic hell bent on destroying this nation and preserving confederate monuments?


Who wins?

Mississippi voted to change their flag.

The Times they are a changing.

[LarryBnDC]

If most white people were suddenly black they’d be fucked like the proverbial “fish out of water.”

In reverse most black people would be just fine because we already navigate through two different worlds.

[oilcan]

Maga-ninny keeps breaking that no lying vow...

   White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said in a statement Saturday that the President and Vice President Mike Pence were not briefed "on the alleged Russian bounty intelligence."
McEnany said her statement "does not speak to the merit of the alleged intelligence but to the inaccuracy of the New York Times story," which said Trump had been briefed.

JFC,  of course they were briefed.   A Russian shadow war against the United States??   You stupid fucking lying bitch.   

[Echo4]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/27/politics/mississippi-confederate-flag-vote/index.html

The Mississippi House has started work on a bill to change their flag (again).

[bankshot1]

The Dems need to make the case for the need for a Dem Senate.  They need to go for a full tidal wave landslide.

This is where the Dems could use Soros/Bloomberg PAC money and make very targeted consisent and coherent attacks against the complicity and cowardice of Senate Repubs in empowering and refusing to question an inept authoritarian dangerous nut-job like Trump. 

The Blue Tsunami may hit the US shore hard this year but when waters retreat in the out years and the damage done by the Trump-Repubs become glaringly obvious, its going to up to the Dems to clean up the Repub mess, so they're the ones who will get dirty.

But Repubs will then blame Dems for a slow clean up effort. And that they have the answers to right the ship, hello 2022 off-year elections!

So Dems basically have to run-up the score in 2020, and neuter as many Repubs as possible, gain the WH, House and Senate, clean up the disaster, feeding the hungry, heal the sick, and put together a sane package (maybe infrastructure-jobs, expanded heathcare, continued government support for an ongoing economic recovery, rebuilding US stature with traditional allies,) that doesn't scare mod and indy voters in 2022. Stay the fuck away from medicare for all and soaking the rich and corps in taxes, hold-off  on controversial, divisive stuff, as Dems will need time and consensus to rebuild America, and there will be pain and costs to be borne and likely by those that have disproportionately and unfairly benefitted over the past 40 or so years.

This generation out in the streets aren’t nearly as stupid or racist as previous ones, boomers to be precise.

We have the consensus to fix the nation except from folks who the situation as status quo.

This is the precise time to GO BIG!

Read the room.

If you DON"T want to piss away the chance for long-term meaningful societal reforms, you play it smart, not big.

The room you're reading is in NYC and Washington and SF   

But there are rooms all over the country who are sick of Trump, afraid of Trump, but don't quite trust Dems and BIG govt.

Don't give them a reason to backslide, don't scare them with HUGE medicare plans that will be demonized as taking away their choices, and don't scare them with HUGE tax increases to pay for the HUGE defecits run-up by Trump's avarice.

Play it too big, and you risk losing Congress in 2022 and then the WH in 2024.

Be smart and build an FDR-type coalition of Dems and moderates and Indies multi-race, muli-religion that can achieve long-term societal goals for decades

And which might start to fulfill the promise of the American Dream for all.

But you can't scare the shit out of them coming out of the gate.

YMMV

Fuck the scared people and I’m not reading what you think.

I’m looking at the South because that’s where this election will be won.

Going moderate fixes things just enough and takes long enough for memories to fade but not this time, the damage is too big,

Don’t forget President Blackenstein ain’t on the ballot and good luck running a fear of the radical leftist mob with Uncle Joe Biden at the top of the ticket.

Turn the page.

Have you noticed who is winning the Democratic Primaries?

Knicks a big chunk of this country are white/moderate center-right leaning who are out of work and finally seeing the danger of an inept Trump

They didn't get pissed over Russia or Ukraine, they got pissed because they got sick and then lost their jobs.

And then since they were out of work and watching TV they saw George Floyd get murdered.

And since they were already angry they got more pissed as injustice was piled on injustice

If you're smart there's a good chance of grabbing a big chunk of those voters for a long time, as you peel away the injustices

and make them feel more secure


I'd like to think racism disappeared overnight with the mass epiphany of the horror of Floyd murder, but call me skeptical.
 
Its been going away for a long time, but in some regards Floyd's death (forgive me) was a watershed moment.

Don't piss the opportunity away.

Fuck GO BIG

Be smart.

and before lioning the social justice warriors on the streets, let me see them show up and vote, ok?

get elected first,
repair the damage done by Trump
domestic and foreign
get people health insurance and health care
start rebuilding infrastructure
which will lead to jobs
and food on the table

and people spending money and feeling like there's a future for their kids

rebuild our foreign alliances

and then maybe you got a shit ton of new dedicated loyal voters to help re-shape a better America.

So repair first and then think about how to remodel.

or you could scare the shit out of them in 2020-22 and piss away the best chance in a long time to captialize on the greed and corruption of the Repubs.

and end up back in the fucking leaking house and the fucking Repubs are on the roof taking a piss.

Wait a minute.

I’m the one saying Biden just has to stay out of Trump's self immolation. He’ll get elected with a strong house and maybe even a Senate Majority.

Once the election is over and you have majorities you step on any pushback from them GOP.

DO YOU THEN NIBBLE AROUND THE EDGES OR GO HUGE?

If you think that’s the time for moderates you don’t know how this works.

Sometimes you should read what I’m saying,

You don’t have to go big and scare stupid white folks in the campaign. But if you try not to scare them once you have the opportunity to really improve the nation you’re play into the conservative game.

White folks fought Obamacare tooth and nail and like I said way back then it was stupid. I also said once the camels nose is under the edge of the tent he is all 5he way inside.

I also said good luck trying to take something away from folks once they have it a la Social Security and Medicare.

Now we’re in this pandemic and the GOP is suing to kill the ACA.

Fuck. Joe Biden is running a perfect campaign. The generation in the streets see the world through different lens than the old farts in here.

I read what you're saying and am disagreeing with the bravado of the moment and think you should think longer-term.

and perhaps you should stop demonizing white devils in your GO BIG strategy.

OK Putney?

And perhaps you could define what your GO BIG actually entails.

I gave you what I thought Be smart included.

And i'm not scared, but would rather play it smart than piss away a great opportunity at real coalition building.

My concern is losing what could be a real long-term mandate for change by going too far left by misinterpreting recent event as a societal wide epipany about prejudiice, rather than a visceral reaction to the real White Devil, Trump.

[Echo4]

Maga-ninny keeps breaking that no lying vow...

   White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said in a statement Saturday that the President and Vice President Mike Pence were not briefed "on the alleged Russian bounty intelligence."
McEnany said her statement "does not speak to the merit of the alleged intelligence but to the inaccuracy of the New York Times story," which said Trump had been briefed.

JFC,  of course they were briefed.   A Russian shadow war against the United States??   You stupid fucking lying bitch.

Duh.

I am not sure why we would expect her to be honest about this - assuming she knows enough to lie, rather than to not know (by having been told) and therefore deny knowledge of it.

But she doesn't just say she doesn't know. It's less than clever.

[oilcan]

Go Big or play the middle?    Good debate,  but I think politics is "the art of the possible." For a sane party to hold power,  means you can't frighten people.   Scared people, historically, have been known to turn to fascists.   It's a bad habit humans have.   

[Yankguy1]

 I can accept the notion that Pence and Trump weren't briefed. Their collective IQ is that of a small soap dish. What would be the point?

[bankshot1]

Go Big or play the middle?    Good debate,  but I think politics is "the art of the possible." For a sane party to hold power,  means you can't frighten people.   Scared people, historically, have been known to turn to fascists.   It's a bad habit humans have.

I think the vacuum created by Trump's inability to govern will allow a presume Biden Admin to move left, in some areas, and maybe more than I imagine if the Dems can hold the House and recapture the senate. But the concern is overstepping common sense and getting blowback in 2022-2024, and losing a huge opportunity to fix America. And that to do list got longer with all the stuff Trump broke.

[LarryBnDC]

Go Big or play the middle?    Good debate,  but I think politics is "the art of the possible." For a sane party to hold power,  means you can't frighten people.   Scared people, historically, have been known to turn to fascists.   It's a bad habit humans have.

What is more scary than right now?

[LarryBnDC]

and perhaps you should stop demonizing white devils in your GO BIG strategy.

OK Putney?

Demonizing white devils?

Banks you keep dropping the sheet you don’t realize you’re wearing.

[bankshot1]

and perhaps you should stop demonizing white devils in your GO BIG strategy.

OK Putney?

Demonizing white devils?

Banks you keep dropping the sheet you don’t realize you’re wearing.

Knicks i chose my words very carefully and expected the blowback.

If you think it fair to characterize white people as white devils, I reserve the right to refer to you as one of my favored characters from WBW.

And I'm having some fun exposing your prejudice. 

And we both knew I wear no sheet, I'm just holding you to the same standard I hold anyone I choose to debate.

That you prefer a faux charge of racism rather than answer my specific question about your Biden/Dem GO BIG platform is understandable and very transparent.

Fun chatting as always Putney

[Echo4]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/opinion/confederate-monuments-racism.html

Opinion

You Want a Confederate Monument? My Body Is a Confederate Monument
The black people I come from were owned and raped by the white people I come from. Who dares to tell me to celebrate them?

By Caroline Randall Williams
Ms. Williams is a poet.

June 26, 2020

NASHVILLE — I have rape-colored skin. My light-brown-blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the Old South.

If there are those who want to remember the legacy of the Confederacy, if they want monuments, well, then, my body is a monument. My skin is a monument.

Dead Confederates are honored all over this country — with cartoonish private statues, solemn public monuments and even in the names of United States Army bases. It fortifies and heartens me to witness the protests against this practice and the growing clamor from serious, nonpartisan public servants to redress it. But there are still those — like President Trump and the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell — who cannot understand the difference between rewriting and reframing the past. I say it is not a matter of “airbrushing” history, but of adding a new perspective.

I am a black, Southern woman, and of my immediate white male ancestors, all of them were rapists. My very existence is a relic of slavery and Jim Crow.

According to the rule of hypodescent (the social and legal practice of assigning a genetically mixed-race person to the race with less social power) I am the daughter of two black people, the granddaughter of four black people, the great-granddaughter of eight black people. Go back one more generation and it gets less straightforward, and more sinister. As far as family history has always told, and as modern DNA testing has allowed me to confirm, I am the descendant of black women who were domestic servants and white men who raped their help.

It is an extraordinary truth of my life that I am biologically more than half white, and yet I have no white people in my genealogy in living memory. No. Voluntary. Whiteness. I am more than half white, and none of it was consensual. White Southern men — my ancestors — took what they wanted from women they did not love, over whom they had extraordinary power, and then failed to claim their children.

What is a monument but a standing memory? An artifact to make tangible the truth of the past. My body and blood are a tangible truth of the South and its past. The black people I come from were owned by the white people I come from. The white people I come from fought and died for their Lost Cause. And I ask you now, who dares to tell me to celebrate them? Who dares to ask me to accept their mounted pedestals?

You cannot dismiss me as someone who doesn’t understand. You cannot say it wasn’t my family members who fought and died. My blackness does not put me on the other side of anything. It puts me squarely at the heart of the debate. I don’t just come from the South. I come from Confederates. I’ve got rebel-gray blue blood coursing my veins. My great-grandfather Will was raised with the knowledge that Edmund Pettus was his father. Pettus, the storied Confederate general, the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, the man for whom Selma’s Bloody Sunday Bridge is named. So I am not an outsider who makes these demands. I am a great-great-granddaughter.

And here I’m called to say that there is much about the South that is precious to me. I do my best teaching and writing here. There is, however, a peculiar model of Southern pride that must now, at long last, be reckoned with.

This is not an ignorant pride but a defiant one. It is a pride that says, “Our history is rich, our causes are justified, our ancestors lie beyond reproach.” It is a pining for greatness, if you will, a wish again for a certain kind of American memory. A monument-worthy memory.

But here’s the thing: Our ancestors don’t deserve your unconditional pride. Yes, I am proud of every one of my black ancestors who survived slavery. They earned that pride, by any decent person’s reckoning. But I am not proud of the white ancestors whom I know, by virtue of my very existence, to be bad actors.

Among the apologists for the Southern cause and for its monuments, there are those who dismiss the hardships of the past. They imagine a world of benevolent masters, and speak with misty eyes of gentility and honor and the land. They deny plantation rape, or explain it away, or question the degree of frequency with which it occurred.

To those people it is my privilege to say, I am proof. I am proof that whatever else the South might have been, or might believe itself to be, it was and is a space whose prosperity and sense of romance and nostalgia were built upon the grievous exploitation of black life.

The dream version of the Old South never existed. Any manufactured monument to that time in that place tells half a truth at best. The ideas and ideals it purports to honor are not real. To those who have embraced these delusions: Now is the time to re-examine your position.

Either you have been blind to a truth that my body’s story forces you to see, or you really do mean to honor the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed, and you must at last acknowledge your emotional investment in a legacy of hate.

Either way, I say the monuments of stone and metal, the monuments of cloth and wood, all the man-made monuments, must come down. I defy any sentimental Southerner to defend our ancestors to me. I am quite literally made of the reasons to strip them of their laurels.

Caroline Randall Williams will be doing a reading of this essay and answering questions on Instagram (@nytopinion) on Tuesday, June 30 at 7 p.m. Eastern.

Caroline Randall Williams (@caroranwill) is the author of “Lucy Negro, Redux” and “Soul Food Love,” and a writer in residence at Vanderbilt University.

[LarryBnDC]

and perhaps you should stop demonizing white devils in your GO BIG strategy.

OK Putney?

Demonizing white devils?

Banks you keep dropping the sheet you don’t realize you’re wearing.

Knicks i chose my words very carefully and expected the blowback.

If you think it fair to characterize white people as white devils, I reserve the right to refer to you as one of my favored characters from WBW.

And I'm having some fun exposing your prejudice. 

And we both knew I wear no sheet, I'm just holding you to the same standard I hold anyone I choose to debate.

That you prefer a faux charge of racism rather than answer my specific question about your Biden/Dem GO BIG platform is understandable and very transparent.

Fun chatting as always Putney

If you think I characterize white people as devils then you are who you claim you’re not.

I characterize white people by what is obvious to anyone not shielding their eyes

Do you think all those white kids out in the streets protesting for the America see the world as you?

They’re not gonna wanna hear shit about moderation.

Thank GOD for this generation because they are our last best hope of saving the fucking world.

It’s the white people in this generation that gives me more hope for the future than I have had in my entire adult life.

You sure as hell don’t. You show yourself every time you don’t think my perspective has any value.

You throw supposedly harmless insults cached in race and claim it to be all in good fun.

Then you say I’m prejudiced.

Dude. I’m a black man in America and this is how I see the world. I also see the world the way you do because I have no choice if I want to be successful in this semi apartheid state.

So, how am I supposed to say what I see and experience in terms thst don’t hurt your feelings?

Or are you really one of the white devils you are defending?