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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Echo4]

Schools only have one purpose.
To be a place of learning

Kids need to be in school.

I guess it is permanently 1954 in your vacant excuse for a soul, but you should probably join the 21st Century and rethink what it can mean  to be "in school".

That’s news to countries around the world France, Germany, Singapore,Finland, Norway, Denmark, etc.
Children just do not get sick from COVID-19.

France, Germany, Singapore, Finland, Norway, and Denmark have DIFFERENT levels of new cases going on and much lower new deaths/million than we do.

Is this news, Ward?

And BULLSHIT!

You can look it up.

And have, many times. Here are all of the countries you named except Germany, which had TWO deaths today and Singapore, which has had a similar profile this week, with 0 deaths, but is not in Europe.

The US had more deaths in the last hour than all the countries you named combined.

[bankshot1]

Speaking of running the #s

Sounds like someone wants to fix the #s

and keep the public in the dark

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/world/coronavirus-updates.html?action=click&module=Alert&pgtype=Homepage#link-47bd459f

The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington — a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.

The new instructions are contained in a little-noticed document posted this week on the Department of Health and Human Services’ website, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports. From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

[Hairy Lime]

Schools only have one purpose.
To be a place of learning

Kids need to be in school.

I guess it is permanently 1954 in your vacant excuse for a soul, but you should probably join the 21st Century and rethink what it can mean  to be "in school".

That’s news to countries around the world France, Germany, Singapore,Finland, Norway, Denmark, etc.

You mean countries that acted quickly and got control of their COVID outbreaks? Unlike us?

Children just do not get sick from COVID-19.

Demonstrably false.

Protecting teachers is hardly rocket science.
Keeping kids at home is asinine, and hurts minority children the most

A group you do not care a rat's hind end about expect to make specious political arguments.

since most of them would be deprived of not only a teacher-centered education but healthy meals, exercise,special healthcare needs, etc.

Actually, the legal requirements on schools meals and special needs continues even with home schooling.

And being deprived of life is much worse for their future.

That’s why the American Association of Pediatrics wants all kids in school.

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

[Echo4]

I repeat: HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE YOU WILLING TO SACRIFICE ON THE ALTAR OF "CHILDREN SHOULD BE IN SCHOOL?"

And before you trot out the "but they are more at risk at home," (a) it is nice if for the first time in your life you are concerned about children (other than any you might have had), but (b) the level of increased risk is even less well substantiated than your claim that they don't get sick. That is, I agree that some children are likely to be emotionally and physically in harms way for more hours per day than they already are, but we have no measures of how much more so, at this point in time. The MOMENT that you can show me that a greater number of children are at risk of death from being at home than being at school, I will post it all over and tell my representatives at all levels of government.

But, as usual, you have no supporting data.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-in-babies-and-children/art-20484405

COVID-19 (coronavirus) in babies and children

Children of all ages can become ill with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). But most kids who are infected typically don't become as sick as adults and some might not show any symptoms at all. Know the symptoms of COVID-19 in babies and children, why children might be affected differently by COVID-19 and what you can do to prevent the spread of the virus.

How likely is it for a child to become sick with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?
While all children are capable of getting the virus that causes COVID-19, they don't become sick as often as adults. Children also rarely experience severe illness with COVID-19. Despite many large outbreaks around the world, very few children have died.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), among nearly 150,000 cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. between Feb. 12 and April 2, only about 2,500, or 1.7%, were in children. This is similar to what has been reported in other countries, such as China and Italy, that have had large outbreaks. Hospitalization rates for children have been much lower than for adults.

However, people of any age with certain underlying conditions, such as type 2 diabetes, are at higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19. Additionally, children who have congenital heart disease, genetic conditions or conditions affecting the nervous system or metabolism are also at higher risk of serious illness with COVID-19.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

Keeping schools open are decisions made by states and school districts.
And Science is on the side of having kids in schools

[Echo4]

Speaking of running the #s

Sounds like someone wants to fix the #s

and keep the public in the dark

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/world/coronavirus-updates.html?action=click&module=Alert&pgtype=Homepage#link-47bd459f

The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington — a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.

The new instructions are contained in a little-noticed document posted this week on the Department of Health and Human Services’ website, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports. From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

As long as it is not "and only to..." we should be safe from further rigging of the numbers in ways like DeSantis has admitted to in FL.

And... this is the sort of thing that the Feds should have been doing from the start, not relying on Johns Hopkins or Worldometers.

[bodiddley]

Israeli Data Show School Openings Were a Disaster That Wiped Out Lockdown Gains

Of 1,400 Israelis diagnosed with COVID-19 last month, 657 (47 percent) were infected in schools. Now 2,026 students, teachers, and staff have it, and 28,147 are quarantined.

Israel’s unchecked resurgence of COVID-19 was propelled by the abrupt May 17 decision to reopen all schools, medical and public-health officials have told The Daily Beast.

Importantly, on May 17 in Israel it appeared the virus not only was under control, but defeated. Israel reported only 10 new cases of COVID-19 in the entire country that day. In the U.S., the debate often is about reopening schools where the disease is not only not in decline, but surging.

The road from anti-coronavirus paradigm to rampant infection in this country of 9 million people followed two months of almost total lockdown.

 a more cautious experiment of several weeks in which only children in the first, second, and third grades were brought back to classrooms, and taught in small, non-intersecting groups called “capsules.”
Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist at Hebrew University said: “There was no measurable increase in contagion” while the capsules for young children were being tried out.

Then, Levine says, “contrary to our advice, the government decided to open the entire system all at once on May 17. What happened next was entirely predictable.”

On June 3, two weeks after schools opened, more than 244 students and staff were found to test positive for COVID-19.
According to the education ministry, 2,026 students, teachers, and staff have contracted COVID-19, and 28,147 are in quarantine due to possible contagion.

They don't break down how many children/students were infected.
But basically, Israel had greatly limited transmission until they reopened schools.
Then a second wave a few weeks later.

[Echo4]

Cause for mild optimism:

Asked whether he supports getting rid of the filibuster, so the Senate could pass bills with a straight majority, Biden said: “It’s going to depend on how obstreperous they become,” referring to Republicans.

He noted that he has historically supported the filibuster and was optimistic he could find common ground with Republicans. “But I think you’re going to just have to take a look at it,” he added.

The rest of the NYT piece on Biden was upbeat, too, or as Bernie put it, on a path to be the most progressive president since FDR.

I'll take it.

[Yankguy1]

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

Keeping schools open are decisions made by states and school districts.
And Science is on the side of having kids in schools

By "science" Red means prayer and best wishes.

[Hairy Lime]

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

Keeping schools open are decisions made by states and school districts.
And Science is on the side of having kids in schools

Not during a pandemic. The AAP, the source you cite, makes that clear in language you ignore: "Public health agencies must make recommendations based on evidence, not politics. We should leave it to health experts to tell us when the time is best to open up school buildings, and listen to educators and administrators to shape how we do it." Yes, in person schooling is best. But not in a raging pandemic that puts health of students, teachers and staff in serious risk.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

Keeping schools open are decisions made by states and school districts.
And Science is on the side of having kids in schools

By "science" Red means prayer and best wishes.

No. I mean Science.
So does the AAP.

[Yankguy1]

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

Keeping schools open are decisions made by states and school districts.
And Science is on the side of having kids in schools

By "science" Red means prayer and best wishes.

No. I mean Science.
So does the AAP.

Just because you capitalize "Science" this time doesn't mean you understand it any better.

[REDSTATEWARD]

Oh, in person schools are optimal. When they are safe. In the US they are not safe now because Trump and his acolytes have refused to do the hard work to make them safe. Unlike, well, every country you cited above. But Trump was so concerned that a bad economy would hurt his election chances he forced reopenings before we were ready and we are now worse than we were when we first started the shut downs.

Keeping schools open are decisions made by states and school districts.
And Science is on the side of having kids in schools

By "science" Red means prayer and best wishes.

No. I mean Science.
So does the AAP.

Just because you capitalize "Science" this time doesn't mean you understand it any better.

I understand it quite well.

[barton]

...and that's why I took the brevity pledge.    Pointless to throw pearls of fact before swine. 

[barton]

If schools don't reopen in accordance with CDC guidelines, it will be Red and his age cohort (who tend to have children and grandchildren) who will be "woke" to who bears the brunt of this novel virus.