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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Dr Osterholm - MSNBC - their key guy

"I cannot tell you how much wearing a mask helps"

Would not agree with CDC head that wearing masks for 4-6 weeks would cut down on the virus substantially.

"We just dont know - but it cant hurt"


Yep.

[kiidcarter8]

A New York Times columnist has urged likely Democratic nominee Joe Biden not to debate President Trump in the fall. Most voters think that’s a bad idea, although only just over half believe Biden is even up to debating Trump given ongoing questions about his mental health.




https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/only_54_think_biden_capable_of_debating_trump

If he won't/can't debate, he shouldn't be President.

heh

Imagine - bargaining for zero debates

[bambu.]

It took us 29 days to go from 2,000,000 cases to 3,000,000 cases.

We're 8 days in and already more than halfway from 3 to 4,000,000. At our current rate, we will cross over late July 21 or very early on July 22.

But at least we stopped the streak of ever higher death tolls, right?!

My radio's US correspondent, an older American man who's been reporting for us 'forever', said the other day that "people [Americans] seem to be think it's only a matter of time before they all get the virus."

[Echo4]

[kiidcarter8]

Doctor Jackson also a winner tonight

Trump wins!

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/us/new-mexico-militia-group-lawsuit/index.html


 Lots of luck to them

[facilitatorn]

There's some hope with Putin.
Not with the others though.

We know who’s writing your checks.

[facilitatorn]

NEW RULES (apologies to Bill Maher)


Whoever types or alludes to "dead kids" on this forum is an asshole bringing more consequences of the republican bust out crime spree to light.

FIFY.

Kiid, you are the only one I know who saw Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda and then decided that was who they wanted to be when they grew up.

You are a valueless little prick, but it’s kinda funny watching you try to tell other people what to do.

It’s almost as funny as watching Red pretend he can read.

[facilitatorn]

Doctor Jackson also a winner tonight

Trump wins!

Don’t see him getting all the way to November with running afoul of drug laws.

He should know better than to mess with Texas as he seems to maintain an address there.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/mary-trump-interview-resign-362485

Trump wins!

[Echo4]

[Echo4]

This is the New Zealand national government's FB page for working to stop COVID-19:
https://www.facebook.com/UniteAgainstCOVID19

Just imagine if our government were as proactive as the Kiwis are.

And none your BS about size. Their being small is not what allows them to have a plan or a FB page. It's not what allows there to be levels of alerts, based on local circumstances.

Organization does that. Competence. And cooperation with one another.

This is an example of one of their posts:

Update from the Ministry of Health ​
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Today there are 2 new cases of COVID-19 to report in managed isolation facilities in New Zealand. ​ ​
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It has been 75 days since the last case of COVID-19 was acquired locally from an unknown source. Our total number of active cases is ​ 27 - all are in quarantine. ​
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The first of today’s cases is a man in his 60s who arrived on 10 July from Pakistan via Dubai. He is at the Sudima hotel in Rotorua and tested positive at the day 3 routine testing during his time in managed isolation. ​
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The second case is a woman in her 50s who arrived on 10 July from Dublin via Dubai. She is also staying at the Sudima Hotel in Rotorua and likewise tested positive on the day 3 routine testing. ​
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Our total number of confirmed cases is 1,197, which is the number we report to the World Health Organization.​
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There is no one in New Zealand receiving hospital-level care for COVID-19.​
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Yesterday our laboratories completed 2,061 tests, of those 902 were testing of people in managed isolation and quarantine for the routine testing on either days 3 or 12 of their stay. That brings the total number of tests completed to date to 433,324. ​
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Yesterday we issued updated guidance for clinicians around testing for COVID-19 in the community. The updated advice clarifies for health professionals which of the lower risk symptomatic people should be tested in the community. This is testing of people with respiratory symptoms. ​
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All the people who are classified as being high index of suspicion, for example because they work at the border or they live with a family member who is a member of international air crew, are already being tested. This guidance clarifies the other groups of lower risk people in the community who should be tested. This includes people who are at higher risk of complications should they get COVID-19: older people, people with pre-existing medical conditions and also our Maori and Pasifika communities. Just to reiterate, this is testing of people with respiratory symptoms. ​
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We will continue testing in the community as part of our ongoing strategy to continue with the elimination of COVID-19. ​ ​
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Anyone with respiratory symptoms should call their GP or Healthline on 0800 611 116 to get advice on getting a test. Testing is free in NZ.​
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The Government has developed a “Stamp it Out” plan for responding to new cases of COVID-19 in the community should there be a resurgence of cases in NZ. Ongoing elimination will remain as the strategy for dealing with COVID-19 to keep New Zealanders safe and support New Zealand’s continued economic recovery.​
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Strong border measures have played a critical part in our response and will continue to do so for some time. But even with these measures, new cases in the community are a realistic possibility given that the global situation has become worse over the past four months. ​
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The public and businesses will continue to have a major role to play in the fight against COVID-19 in the event of new cases in the community. If there are new cases in the community, our public health measures of personal hygiene, testing, contact tracing, and isolation will continue to be the core of our response. ​
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The existing Alert Levels framework will be used but adapted to the specific circumstances, including applying the Alert Levels at a regional or local level. For an overview of the alert levels, visit https://covid19.govt.nz/…/restrictio…/alert-system-overview/

Again, we cannot be complacent. We encourage all businesses to generate and display their QR codes to help individuals keep track of their movements. Everyone should make an effort to keep a record of their whereabouts.This can be done manually or via the COVID-19 tracer app.

[Echo4]

Also from NZ:

10 reasons why we wish we could go back to having zoom chats:
1. Can’t mute people in real life meetings
2. You can’t fake connection issues to get out of a tight spot
3. Fake backgrounds are hard to install in real life
4. Pants are compulsory
5. Can’t have an off-screen beer
6. Home-made haircuts aren’t cool anymore
7. Beer O’ Clock has been pushed back to 5pm
8. Watching Netflix for creative inspiration is no longer acceptable
9. Your office is 20 degrees warmer or colder than you’d like it to be
10. No one’s at home for the courier

[Echo4]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33315090/trump-administration-covid-19-data-centralized-database/

Hospitals Should Tell Trump to Shove His Orders and Send Their Data to the CDC Anyway

[bodiddley]

Melania gets it right:

“Even in the summer months, please remember to wear face coverings & practice social distancing,” Melania Trump posted on her Twitter account. “The more precaution we take now can mean a healthier & safer country in the Fall.”

It's not either/or.  Do both.  The more precautions the better.  (and she was right to list masks first).  Then again she's a Euro, and probably is wondering what the hell is wrong with stupid Americans that they can't just simply wear masks.

As far as mask benefits, there reportedly have been studies showing they work well.  And then you have real life experiments throughout Asia.  In China, it was lockdowns and mask wearing and little to no regard for social distancing (the airport and even hospitals allowed tightly packed, snaking back-and-forth lines as long as everyone was masked up).  In public, masks were relied on and crowds avoided.  That's all.  It worked.  Social distancing was a Western approach which has failed.  Masks were an Eastern approach which worked.

6 feet was always a vague standard, based on fuzzy calculations, often hard to maintain and/or be sure it was being met.  Where's the science/data for 6 feet?  Maybe it should have been 2 meters and Americans were doomed by failure to adopt the metric system.  A mask provides clear, direct and effective protection.  Works in any situation. If everyone wears masks in public, it's hard for viral transmission to occur.  Anyone infected/infectious will mostly keep their infected fluids within their masks.  Healthy people have a screen to filter out the small amount of virus that might escape someone else's mask.

Essentially, one approach says we'll allow infected people to shed invisible viral particles in public and spread the virus all over the environment, so you should just try not to get too close to them and their contagion (and wash your hands due to the surfaces they may contaminate).  The other approach is designed to block and reduce virus particles from entering the environment, while also protecting your important breathing holes.  Which do you think is more sensible and more effective? 

This has always seemed obvious to me.  And has been proven true in real life country simulations.  Mask wearing largely eliminates the need for the hassles of social distancing.  But it is best to try to do both.  Start with masks and add other precautions according to the risk environment and physical situation.