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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Hamilton Samuels]

Biden calling for his resignation is dumb, weak and meaningless.

I'm not sure why you suggested it.

I'm not sure why you seem so upset by the suggestion.

Trump isn't doing the job he was elected to do, for a start.  And anyone at any level in government or business would be forced to resign with these results.

I think it is fair to put out there the notion that maybe the so-called "leader of the free world" should not be held to the lowest possible standard, but the highest.

i'm not upset its just dumb politics for Biden to call for Trump's resignation.

and even Bo now seems to understand that point.

Schumer could do it or Pelosi and it would be a little less dumb, but dumb nonetheless.

Trump is an achor down ticket right now, I want him to drag every possible P with him.

Biden, Schumer, and Pelois should too.

Mitch should not.

Agree with you, banks.

When your opponent is drowning, don't throw him a lifeline.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Dems should want to run against a national disaster and disgrace like Trump and hope it reaps large H/S benefits.

They would.

Biden should hammer away on issues of substance that people care about.

He will.

Let Rs worry about Trump and how he's desrtoying the party.

They do.

Why help them?

It wouldn't.

I don't need to repeat my argument, or say it in a different way so that you will understand.  It should have been pretty easy to get.

I just looked up condescending. Your picture was there. Surely it wasn't a coincidence.

Biden needs to promote Biden. Have faith in Trump's capacity to be himself...a loser.

[bodiddley]

Biden calling for his resignation is dumb, weak and meaningless.
I'm not sure why you suggested it.

You can be as dense as kiid when your choose to be.

It would:
1) get Biden attention and win a news cycle, while putting Trump on the defensive;
2) probably lead to Trump having some deranged reaction;
3) frame the political debate and make it clear that this whole Trump clusterfuck and FUBAR isn't normal and shouldn't be normalized.

i'm not upset its just dumb politics for Biden to call for Trump's resignation.
and even Bo now seems to understand that point.

and extremely wrong and tiresome.

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://theweek.com/cartoons/925873/political-cartoon-trump-fauci-coronavirus

[barton]

 Pity we don't have parallel universes where we can test both tactics.   

Am leaning towards Biden skipping the whole resignation thing.  Biden can frame the debate without it,  and Trump will act deranged anyway.  And moderates will be more moved by Joe's policy strengths than theatrics.   

Besides,  calling for someone to resign is such a Trumpian move that unfortunately it has defused its former power.  After endless Trump theatrics,  if Biden tries that it will just thud instead of splash.   And Joe needs to be composed of anti-trump matter.

[barton]

See I live in one of those Red zones where people really do think about these personality issues differently.   They voted for Trump IN SPITE OF his character and personality.  To shift the center here towards anyone else,  that person has to really be calm,  steady,  and kind of the antithesis of drama.   I know this is hard to believe but a heartlander really wants some gentility.  They will see a call to resign as a descent, as histrionic.   

[bodiddley]

Could have a surrogate do it instead of Biden.
Let Uncle Joe (where have I heard that before?) stay above the fray and have Nancy/ Chuck/Hillary/Kamala/Harry Reid/Whitmer, etc. toss that out there.  I thought about that.  But I think Biden can use the attention and can do it in a dignified, measured way.  Not as crazy drama, but as a serious solution and the honorable thing for the unprecedented disaster Trump has inflicted.

[bankshot1]

Pity we don't have parallel universes where we can test both tactics.   

Am leaning towards Biden skipping the whole resignation thing.  Biden can frame the debate without it,  and Trump will act deranged anyway.  And moderates will be more moved by Joe's policy strengths than theatrics.   

Besides,  calling for someone to resign is such a Trumpian move that unfortunately it has defused its former power.  After endless Trump theatrics,  if Biden tries that it will just thud instead of splash.   And Joe needs to be composed of anti-trump matter.

Bingo

Its not rocket science.

Its a dud of an idea. and bad politics.

Even poor Bo backed away from it when challenged.

He amended his 1st post to include my suggestion of attacking Trump on the things he fucked up on and the issues voters care about,

And then Bo asked rhetorically (and I quote)

And needless to say, you don't even want Trump to resign.
 
So why then would Biden call for his resignation?

He shouldn't.

He should let the motherfucker sink the entire party.

We should be so lucky.

I had hoped poor clueless Bo was learning.

My bad.


Bo learn to take constructive criticism of your poorly thought out ideas in the manner that criticism was intended.
 
You pretentious shithead.

[Hamilton Samuels]

 Some people here are exactly what they say they hate.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Meanwhile...in the feet of clay department.

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/university-college-diversity-haverford-black-lives-matter-20200715.html

[bankshot1]

Could have a surrogate do it instead of Biden.
Let Uncle Joe (where have I heard that before?) stay above the fray and have Nancy/ Chuck/Hillary/Kamala/Harry Reid/Whitmer, etc. toss that out there.  I thought about that.  But I think Biden can use the attention and can do it in a dignified, measured way.  Not as crazy drama, but as a serious solution and the honorable thing for the unprecedented disaster Trump has inflicted.

and Bo's retreat from his initial post suggesting Biden call for Trump resignation continues.



And Bo now adopts my suggestion that Schumer or Nancy carry that ball, but it would still not be a good idea.

Trump/anchor/sink the R's in 2020.

Bo you'll get there yet.

Maybe by 2022.

Best of luck

[bankshot1]

Biden calling for his resignation is dumb, weak and meaningless.

I'm not sure why you suggested it.

I'm not sure why you seem so upset by the suggestion.

Trump isn't doing the job he was elected to do, for a start.  And anyone at any level in government or business would be forced to resign with these results.

I think it is fair to put out there the notion that maybe the so-called "leader of the free world" should not be held to the lowest possible standard, but the highest.

i'm not upset its just dumb politics for Biden to call for Trump's resignation.

and even Bo now seems to understand that point.

Schumer could do it or Pelosi and it would be a little less dumb, but dumb nonetheless.

Trump is an achor down ticket right now, I want him to drag every possible P with him.

Biden, Schumer, and Pelois should too.

Mitch should not.

Agree with you, banks.

When your opponent is drowning, don't throw him a lifeline.

Yup it doesn't seem that hard a concept to understand.

[facilitatorn]

Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer should stick to what a terrible job trump and the republicans are doing and the immediate massive harm it is doing to the country and the people along with developing and promulgating plans to get the country on the right track and away from the right wing’s American carnage.

The campaign can definitely point out the growing number of republicans, independents, former administration officials, employees, and trump family members now calling for trumps resignation and who are promising to vote Biden when trump fails once again to do the right thing.

They don’t need to get behind these calls, they can just point them out and explain what the misadministration is doing to warrant such a response from those who were most loyal to it and from those who it pretends to serve.

[bankshot1]

josh  re the motion to reconsider of an impeachment verdict

I found this-the US Senate's Manual Rules for an Impeachment Trial (1986 edition)

Don't know if the rules have since changed

             RULES OF PROCEDURE AND PRACTICE IN THE SENATE WHEN SITTING
                                ON IMPEACHMENT TRIALS

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/html/SMAN-113-pg223.htm#:~:text=A%20motion%20to%20reconsider%20the,shall%20not%20be%20in%20order.&text=The%20fifteen%20minutes%20herein%20allowed,194%20XXV


section 192-last 2 lines read (scroll down)

            A motion to reconsider the vote by which any article of

            impeachment is sustained or rejected shall not be in order.

Which by my understanding would address my concern about double-jeopardy and having the impeached, but acquitted party, facing the same charge twice.



 

[facilitatorn]

Now that he’s brought us American carnage, bat-shit trump is ramping up the witch hunts,

http://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/15/trump-appointees-loyalty-interviews-364616

Hint: trump is a true piece of shit who has earned nobody’s loyalty.