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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Echo4

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47220 on: August 15, 2020, 02:43:20 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JflYvJbphRc

One bad apple does spoil the whole bunch, girl.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47221 on: August 15, 2020, 02:49:50 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.

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kiidcarter8

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47222 on: August 15, 2020, 02:53:58 PM »

Fine lets let it play out, usual rules, rehire the USPS workers, fund them to perform their jobs, don't trash the mail-sorting equipment, and let people vote as many have done for years, including the inept corrupt clown dictator, by mail.



Nobody is saying not to vote absentee by mail
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47223 on: August 15, 2020, 03:13:16 PM »

Fine lets let it play out, usual rules, rehire the USPS workers, fund them to perform their jobs, don't trash the mail-sorting equipment, and let people vote as many have done for years, including the inept corrupt clown dictator, by mail.



Nobody is saying not to vote absentee by mail

That's not the issue moron.

Why you try to play 3-card Donnie to distract and mislead is fascinating.

You suck at it.

The issue is in a pandemic, where people might feel threatened by waiting in long election lines at polling places, and would prefer the safety and conveniecne of vote by mail, and which has been conducted safely and securely for years, the president wants to suppress voting by actively dismantling the USPS's ability to handle the expected huge demand, by staff cuts, denying OT, and trashing mail sorting equipment. He is actively going to sabotage the election and distort the results, if he can get away with it.

Further he is building a very shaky foundation to discredit this election which he appears to be losing, and in so doing trashes our democracy, and plays on disunity all for his narrow self-interests. 

He is the cancer this country need to eradicate to start the healing process ASAP.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47224 on: August 15, 2020, 03:17:24 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/15/902735007/purge-of-senior-officials-at-foreign-broadcast-agency-stirs-fear-and-outrage

A sweeping purge of executives at U.S. government media outlets widened this week.

At least six of the top 10 executives at the U.S. Agency for Global Media were removed from their posts on Wednesday. Critics say the housecleaning threatens to destroy the firewall meant to separate government news entities from the White House. They warn it could turn broadcasters such as the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe into distributors of propaganda on behalf of the Trump administration.... 


As an example of the new climate pervading the agency, Turner cites the removal of a photo of former USAGM CEO and president, John Lansing, that had hung on the wall in the main hallway. Also removed was a quote from Lansing that read, "A set of unimpeachable facts, and the existence of a baseline of truth, is the foundation that undergirds our democracy, its institutions, and the health, safety and security of all American citizens."

Lansing, who is now NPR's president and CEO, issued a statement sharply criticizing the latest personnel ousters at USAGM as well as the forced departure in June of the heads of global media organizations such as the Voice of America. He called those affected "some of the finest public servants I have ever had the privilege to work with."

"Pack's attempt to discredit them is merely a smokescreen for his attempt to dismantle the legitimate editorial independence of VOA in favor of propagandizing the Agency to favor the Administration," he said.   


By the time the Trumpista faction realizes that draining the swamp is to be followed by installing a radioactive waste dump,  it will be too late.    Wake the fuck up.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47225 on: August 15, 2020, 03:30:43 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.

"recover"

The DEATH rate is not the only thing in operation, dimwit!

It's as if you have been ignoring the other research that has been posted here by folks because it doesn't fit your view of things. But let's start with your 3% bullshit:

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CLOSED CASES
15,015,567
Cases which had an outcome:
14,249,356 (95%)
Recovered / Discharged

766,211 (5%) Deaths

The percentage of deaths from completed cases worldwide is 5.1, not your number. My source is Worldometers dot com. In the US it is 5.64% deaths among completed cases.

Without the lockdown, many more people would have gotten the virus and therefore died. Clearly, from your inane statement that "Lockdowns were unnecessary," you don't think 200,000 American deaths or a million around the globe was enough and you wanted more.

Eat shit.

Lockdowns were not only necessary, but discontinuing them too early has caused tens of thousands if not 150,000, needless deaths. You should be proud.



But now, as the late conservative pundit used to say, the rest of the story.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

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Like other respiratory illnesses, COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lasting lung damage. As we continue to learn about COVID-19, we’re understanding more regarding how it affects the lungs while people are sick and after recovery.
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COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lung complications such as pneumonia and, in the most severe cases, acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Sepsis, another possible complication of COVID-19, can also cause lasting harm to the lungs and other organs.
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The pneumonia that COVID-19 causes tends to take hold in both lungs. Air sacs in the lungs fill with fluid, limiting their ability to take in oxygen and causing shortness of breath, cough and other symptoms.
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While most people recover from pneumonia without any lasting lung damage, the pneumonia associated with COVID-19 may be severe. Even after the disease has passed, lung injury may result in breathing difficulties that might take months to improve.

Whether it occurs at home or at the hospital, ARDS can be fatal. People who survive ARDS and recover from COVID-19 may have lasting pulmonary scarring.
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Sepsis occurs when an infection reaches, and spreads through, the bloodstream, causing tissue damage everywhere it goes.

“Lungs, heart and other body systems work together like instruments in an orchestra,” Galiatsatos says. “In sepsis, the cooperation between the organs falls apart. Entire organ systems can start to shut down, one after another, including the lungs and heart.”

Sepsis, even when survived, can leave a patient with lasting damage to the lungs and other organs.
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Is COVID-19 lung damage reversible?

After a serious case of COVID-19, a patient’s lungs can recover, but not overnight. “Recovery from lung damage takes time,” Galiatsatos says. “There’s the initial injury to the lungs, followed by scarring. Over time, the tissue heals, but it can take three months to a year or more for a person’s lung function to return to pre-COVID-19 levels.”

He notes that doctors and patients alike should be prepared for continuing treatment and therapy.

“Once the pandemic is over, there will be a group of patients with new health needs: the survivors. Doctors, respiratory therapists and other health care providers will need to help these patients recover their lung function as much as possible.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

From Brain Fog to Heart Damage, COVID-19 Survivors Have Lingering Problems that Alarm Scientists

But wait... how many of those who did not die from COVID-19 had inflamed hearts or other issues?!

WE DON'T KNOW, no matter how much you insist you know.

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The list of lingering maladies from COVID-19 is longer and more varied than most doctors could have imagined. Ongoing problems include fatigue, a racing heartbeat, shortness of breath, achy joints, foggy thinking, a persistent loss of sense of smell, and damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys, and brain.

The likelihood of a patient developing persistent symptoms is hard to pin down because different studies track different outcomes and follow survivors for different lengths of time. One group in Italy found that 87% of a patient cohort hospitalized for acute COVID-19 was still struggling 2 months later. Data from the COVID Symptom Study, which uses an app into which millions of people in the United States, United Kingdom, and Sweden have tapped their symptoms, suggest 10% to 15% of people—including some “mild” cases—don’t quickly recover. But with the crisis just months old, no one knows how far into the future symptoms will endure, and whether COVID-19 will prompt the onset of chronic diseases.


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47226 on: August 15, 2020, 03:34:13 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.

You keep using that word, "recover." I do not think it means what you think it means.

This is the short form of the prior post that illustrates your profound ignorance on this:
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87% of a patient cohort hospitalized for acute COVID-19 was still struggling 2 months later. Data from the COVID Symptom Study, which uses an app into which millions of people in the United States, United Kingdom, and Sweden have tapped their symptoms, suggest 10% to 15% of people—including some “mild” cases—don’t quickly recover. But with the crisis just months old, no one knows how far into the future symptoms will endure, and whether COVID-19 will prompt the onset of chronic diseases.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47227 on: August 15, 2020, 04:08:15 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.
Yeah, what is 3% of 60 million? Percent of deaths is not the point of the shut downs.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47228 on: August 15, 2020, 04:12:35 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.
Yeah, what is 3% of 60 million? Percent of deaths is not the point of the shut downs.
There is no point to the lockdowns.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47229 on: August 15, 2020, 04:15:13 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.
Yeah, what is 3% of 60 million? Percent of deaths is not the point of the shut downs.
There is no point the lockdowns.
There is no grammar.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47230 on: August 15, 2020, 04:31:24 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.
Yeah, what is 3% of 60 million? Percent of deaths is not the point of the shut downs.
There is no point the lockdowns.
There is no grammar.

My condolences, I understand Grammar caught the covid in the spring of '20, and passed shortly thereafter.

I think Red was doing a Bob Marley reggae riff. 

Red's high.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47231 on: August 15, 2020, 04:36:54 PM »

We know that for every 100 cases 97 recover, or suffer mild to non-existent symptoms. The three that don’t are most always older folks.

No, we don't know that.
Yes we do.
For every 1000 cases 970 recover.   To be precise the actual death rate is .03165055 ( worldwide.03608491)
Lockdowns were unnecessary knee-jerk reactions that only caused an increase in pain and suffering due to other maladies and stopped a roaring economy and doomed the poorest among us to misery and joblessness.
Yeah, what is 3% of 60 million? Percent of deaths is not the point of the shut downs.
There is no point the lockdowns.
It's just to piss you off.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #47232 on: August 15, 2020, 04:48:41 PM »

Yesterday in bambuland...another shark attack.
This time the woman survived...only because her husband jumped onto the great white shark and kept punching it until it let go of his wife's leg.
5 fatal shark attacks downunder this year so far...plus all the ones who survived.
Yet still people sit on surf boards in the ocean and dangle their legs over the side...shark bait.
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« Reply #47233 on: August 15, 2020, 04:49:19 PM »

New CDC guidance says Covid-19 rates in children are 'steadily increasing'

Longish article that gets into some of the associated long-term health problems.
Recover becomes "recover" in  many cases where there is prolonged morbidity.
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« Reply #47234 on: August 15, 2020, 04:55:11 PM »

China is to blame and has a lot to answer for.
This virus came from China, and not the first time such has happened.
China should be made pay.
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