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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/politics/wisconsin-governor-letter-trump-kenosha-jacob-blake/index.html

Predictable.

[josh]

Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.

It didnt withdraw the bill

And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.

The Mayor said no such thing 

They withdrew it.

The Mayor admitted he got bad advice.

Will you admit it? Seems unlikely, but here's your chance, Ward! Admit you made a mistake! You can do it!

“The bill was mistakenly issued based on advice I received from our borough administrator who I understand consulted the borough attorney,” Kranjac told NJ Advance Media. “I was told that all private events requiring police overtime should be paid for by the organizers. That advice was incorrect.”

Kranjac said he further researched the issue with his own attorney and said it was “clear that the exercise of Constitutional Rights are treated differently when it comes to borough administration and billing.”

https://www.nj.com/bergen/2020/08/mayor-rescinds-2500-bill-sent-to-nj-teen-who-held-black-lives-matter-protest.html

And?

Couldn't get yourself to simply type out, "Okay, I was wrong."


Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[bambu.]

"Man dies in riot in Portland."

 PMA...
Stay right away from riots, ...and protests...they'll likely turn violent these days anyway.
Stay home and inside, it's the safest place.
Want to see violence?  Randolph Scott is on Youtube cleaning up the bad guys.

[josh]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/health/covid-19-vaccine-fda-independent-commission/index.html

Experts want an independent commission, outside the FDA, to evaluate any supposed new vaccine, after the way the FDA "approved" the plasma treatment, against scientific advice, then partially retracted that "approval," while insisting that nothing had influenced the actions. Or, for that matter, how the new CDC advice for testing was handled.

Good idea! So, I am skeptical that it will come to fruition. But if I were the pharmaceuticals, I would be hoping for it, too!

[bodiddley]

A public political protest is NOT a private event.

This one was a private event.

Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.

It didnt withdraw the bill

And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.

The Mayor said no such thing 

Short answer: wrong, wrong, wrong.

It was a public political protest held on the sidewalk in front of the municipal building with people holding signs and chanting political slogans.  Exercising 1st A rights to assemble and free speech in public.

The local gov't withdrew the bill, because they realized it was unconstitutional

The mayor blamed other gov't officials for bad advice (that might have been in the accompanying video, not the main article).

Afterwards the mayor refused to be interviewed again.
He looked so shifty and creepy when he first explained the bill in public, he probably decided hiding out was a better idea after he had to backtrack and cancel the absurd police bill.

Amazing you don't see anything wrong with charging the organizer of a public political rally for the police presence they probably don't even want.

Maybe should charge James Blake Jr for those 7 bullets and any police OT his case may accrue ...

[bodiddley]

The on-going saga of Red is never wrong even when he is clearly wrong.
A waste of time to engage with him.

In any case, the foolish local NJ gov't had to reverse itself.  But it's pretty ballsy to try to chill and restrict 1st A rights in that manner.  No idea why Red doesn't support Freedom and Constitutional Rights instead of a money-grubbing township.  If he can't see why the courts wouldn't allow that, we might have to revoke his Constitutional Scholar Merit Badge.

I like the hypothetical that someone holds a 3 man political rally in public and they send 10 cops to watch the proceedings (hey, they didn't know how big or dangerous the rally would be) and at $100/hr, the protesters would be on the hook for $1000 per hour.  But even send 3 officers to a 15 person rally, and $300 an hour is an undue burden to exercising protected rights.  They tried to hit up an 18 year old girl for $2500 for her fairly small, peaceful rally by the gov't building.

[LarryBnDC]

Did you even read the article you linked?

“I was shocked when I read that I had to pay to exercise my First Amendment right,” said Gil, who thinks she was being targeted for her take on affordable housing in the community.

“And we made sure that we fulfilled and satisfied our obligation to make sure that they can exercise their freedom of speech and to peaceably assemble,” said Mayor Kranjac.

Kranjac said the borough has an ordinance in place that allows it to bill for any expenses incurred for police services at private events. The bill sent to Gil was standard protocol, he said.

Apparently you did not.

A public political protest is NOT a private event.

This one was a private event.

Which is why the local gov't changed their position and withdrew the bill.

It didnt withdraw the bill

And the mayor admitted that he got bad advice form the borough legal counsel.

The Mayor said no such thing 

If you are charging the girl for police OT, you are restricting and putting a price on people's 1st A right to assemble.  In this case, an 18 year old girl is unlikely to have an extra $2,500 to fork over to protest.  And the bigger the rally, and the longer it goes on, the more the bill would be.

She might have wanted to think that one through. Luckily for her the town had a heart for youthful naivety.

Ridiculously unconstitutional.

Please cite why

Good thing you’re not arguing in court.

[bodiddley]

“The bill was mistakenly issued based on advice I received from our borough administrator who I understand consulted the borough attorney,” Kranjac told NJ Advance Media. “I was told that all private events requiring police overtime should be paid for by the organizers. That advice was incorrect.”

Kranjac said he further researched the issue with his own attorney and said it was “clear that the exercise of Constitutional Rights are treated differently when it comes to borough administration and billing.”

Pretty obvious and basic stuff.

Then again back in the day, I'm sure Red would argue the legality of poll taxes.  Hell, he might be in favor of them today ...

[REDSTATEWARD]

The on-going saga of Red is never wrong even when he is clearly wrong.
A waste of time to engage with him.

Well  you finally get it.
Freedom of assembly is not free of $costs 
Maybe you should paid attention in school.

[bodiddley]

WRONG

[LarryBnDC]

Trump Administration:

“Ask me no questions, I’ll tell you no lies.”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/senior-intelligence-officials-will-no-longer-brief-congress-in-person-on-foreign-threats-to-the-2020-election/2020/08/29/2ec10112-ea35-11ea-97e0-94d2e46e759b_story.html

[josh]

The on-going saga of Red is never wrong even when he is clearly wrong.
A waste of time to engage with him.

Well  you finally get it.
Freedom of assembly is not free of $costs 
Maybe you should paid attention in school.

It is so much a waste of time that even when he thinks he is responding to something you said, sometimes it's like he chose a post at random to put his bullshit in.

[REDSTATEWARD]

WRONG

Shouting your ignorance only emphasizes your stupidity 

[facilitatorn]

WRONG

Shouting your ignorance only emphasizes your stupidity

And that is precisely why nobody likes you, listens to you, or would cross the street to piss on you if you were on fire.

Good luck arguing badly in support of shitty policy, assface. No one cares what you say and no one cares what you do.

[LarryBnDC]

WRONG

Shouting your ignorance only emphasizes your stupidity

I’m shocked you’re shown any civility.