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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #52560 on: October 07, 2020, 10:47:43 AM »
Make it four:

Trump now trusts the drug companies he once villified
https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/30/covid-vaccine-trump-trusts-drug-companies-vilified/

Why? Because he perceives his political life depends on it.

Kid will no doubt try to explain that Trump wants to save lives (and let's ignore the downplaying of the virus both before and now after Trump's been diagnosed).
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« Reply #52561 on: October 07, 2020, 10:57:18 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-coronavirus-vladimir-putin-white-house-kremlin-b840530.html

Trump’s response to a positive coronavirus test is an attempted Kremlinisation of the US

From that piece: Parallels are perilous. It is easy to over-extrapolate similarities, but the determination of Donald Trump to portray himself as strong in the face of physical weakness is redolent of Soviet and post-Soviet occupants of the Kremlin – and of the steely determination of the system to portray its leaders as strongmen, when, both physically and mentally, they were anything but.

The problem, of course, for President Trump is that US democracy, however challenged it is today, was designed and has thrived on its ability to check strongman politics. The separation of powers, for example, means that legislative and judicial authority, at least in theory, are independent from the executive. This is an essential starting point for democracy in America.

Relatively few Russian leaders can be considered pictures of health: Nikita Khrushchev was obese, Leonid Brezhnev was effectively comatose for the last 10 years of his 18-year reign, Yury Andropov died 15 months into the job, Konstantin Chernenko then managed just 13. Things got better with Gorbachev, now in his 90th year, before they got worse again with Boris Yeltsin whose health (read: drinking) problems were well known and who suffered a massive heart attack in his 1996 re-election campaign from which he never truly recovered.

In the USSR, you only really knew something was seriously amiss when Swan Lake suddenly appeared on television.


The commonality is the portrayal of strength even when leaders have been at their weakest physically but the very sharp difference is the time lag between the illness, the dawning of public awareness and the confirmation of the real truth of things.

Within hours of the announcement that President Trump had checked in to Walter Reed Medical Center, a raft of medical doctors, virologists and public health experts took to the media to evaluate the likely origins and trajectory of his infection, and also its impact on the myriad staff and supporters who he had come into contact with. In a country where the news media is polarised, but independent, this is difficult to hide. Leadership styles are only as significant as the political system that supports them will allow.

 
 
The current Russian president, Vladimir Putin, is keener than any of his predecessors to be seen as the very paragon of macho strength (although it is also notable that both Putin and Trump are famous teetotallers). Putin’s approach to epidemiological security is by far the tighter of the two, though. Since his prime minister and press spokesperson contracted coronavirus, he has been holed up in his presidential country residence, complete with dedicated “disinfection tunnel”.



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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #52562 on: October 07, 2020, 11:00:37 AM »
Assuming that the transition to a Biden presidency is accommodated by the Trump White House, an elected POTUS Biden shouldn't step foot in that infected den of dysfunction until the place has been thoroughly disinfected and unoccupied for at least 2 weeks. 
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« Reply #52563 on: October 07, 2020, 11:01:50 AM »
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« Reply #52564 on: October 07, 2020, 11:02:03 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/appeals-court-trump-must-turn-over-taxes-prosecutor-donald-trump-accountant-prosecutor-tax-records-new-york-b863372.html

President Donald Trump’s accountant must turn over his tax records to a New York state prosecutor an appeals court ruled Wednesday in a decision that likely sets up a second trip to the U.S. Supreme Court over the issue.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan said in a written decision that a stay of a lower-court decision will remain in effect so Trump’s lawyers can appeal the ruling to the high court.

A district court judge had rejected their renewed efforts to invalidate a subpoena that the office of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. issued to Trump’s accounting firm.

Part of Vance's probe pertains to an investigation related to payoffs to two women — porn actress Stormy Daniels and model Karen McDougal — to keep them quiet during the 2016 presidential campaign about alleged extramarital affairs with Trump. Trump has denied the affairs.

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« Reply #52565 on: October 07, 2020, 11:17:08 AM »
The Trump White House, aka "Dodge City":

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/kudlow-refuses-to-say-whether-trump-wore-a-mask-in-return-to-oval-office.html

“The president actually showed up in the Oval Office yesterday with extra precautions with respect to his Covid-19,” Kudlow said. “And he’s getting a lot better, he’s much stronger. So there was some limited activity.”

Asked by “Squawk Box” co-host Joe Kernen whether the president donned a mask while in the Oval Office, Kudlow said he “can’t be specific, Joe. It’s the work of the top rung of the federal government.”

But Kudlow was quickly contradicted by the White House, which in a tweet said Trump had not visited the Oval Office.

“While the President wanted to be in the Oval Office yesterday, he was not there—he stayed back in the residence working from there,” Ben Williamson, a White House spokesman, said in a tweet. “Safety preparations have been underway in the event he moves to working out of the Oval in the coming days.”


He was in the Oval Office working. No he wasn't. And wearing a mask is top secret stuff.

Got that?
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #52566 on: October 07, 2020, 11:28:30 AM »
Quote from: UNO on October 07, 2020, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/appeals-court-trump-must-turn-over-taxes-prosecutor-donald-trump-accountant-prosecutor-tax-records-new-york-b863372.html

Bets on what SCOTUS does with it?

Trump's team will wait as late as possible to file their appeal, but with SCOTUS currently in session, they could well turn it around very fast - but they could also either slow it down for Trump or send it back again to the lower court, to delay it further.
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« Reply #52567 on: October 07, 2020, 11:38:52 AM »
On Cunningham's election potential in the face of his sexting "scandal," this is what the first poll after it says:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/07/cal-cunningham-nc-senate-candidate-draws-sexting-scandal-reactions/5908158002/
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #52568 on: October 07, 2020, 11:41:13 AM »
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« Reply #52569 on: October 07, 2020, 12:01:53 PM »
Quote from: josh on October 07, 2020, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: UNO on October 07, 2020, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/appeals-court-trump-must-turn-over-taxes-prosecutor-donald-trump-accountant-prosecutor-tax-records-new-york-b863372.html

Bets on what SCOTUS does with it?

Trump's team will wait as late as possible to file their appeal, but with SCOTUS currently in session, they could well turn it around very fast - but they could also either slow it down for Trump or send it back again to the lower court, to delay it further.

So, are you of a mind that the Court is completely politicized?
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« Reply #52570 on: October 07, 2020, 12:21:18 PM »
Quote from: UNO on October 07, 2020, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: josh on October 07, 2020, 11:28:30 AM
Quote from: UNO on October 07, 2020, 11:02:03 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/appeals-court-trump-must-turn-over-taxes-prosecutor-donald-trump-accountant-prosecutor-tax-records-new-york-b863372.html

Bets on what SCOTUS does with it?

Trump's team will wait as late as possible to file their appeal, but with SCOTUS currently in session, they could well turn it around very fast - but they could also either slow it down for Trump or send it back again to the lower court, to delay it further.

So, are you of a mind that the Court is completely politicized?

Nope. Otherwise, I would not have the first half of the sentence there.

I think they are very politicized and have been for at least 20 years. (See also Bush v Gore, which they should not have heard.)
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« Reply #52571 on: October 07, 2020, 12:31:49 PM »
Huh!

Kid hasn't updated us with what the Rasmussen Report has to say.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/white_house_watch_oct07

Biden takes 12 point lead.

And shockingly enough, RCP hasn't updated either that or the now days old Ipsos report in their averages. How peculiar.

Heh.
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« Reply #52572 on: October 07, 2020, 01:02:49 PM »
Quote from: josh on October 07, 2020, 12:31:49 PM
Huh!

Kid hasn't updated us with what the Rasmussen Report has to say.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/white_house_watch_oct07

Biden takes 12 point lead.

And shockingly enough, RCP hasn't updated either that or the now days old Ipsos report in their averages. How peculiar.

Heh.

The important thing to understand is that National polling will soon be down to +4 Biden, and we all need to now speculate on why that will be.

Ok, to be fair kiidcarter8 could not have predicted the debate disaster (though really, was it that hard to see that coming...) or the guy catching COVID (though, again...) but I don't think polling turns as hard away from Trump as it did if things were trending well for him.  The sympathy vote could very well have been there if Trump hadn't already so badly handled COVID and if he hadn't so badly handled the aftermath of the positive test.  And now The Great Negotiator has completely shat the bed on stimulus talks.

Polling will probably contract again when the crazy news from the week settles down a bit, if it does.  But Trump's attempt to make this election about anything but COVID has failed, and that doesn't bode well for him.  If their best play is going back to Hillary's Russia Hoax (!) then they are sunk.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #52573 on: October 07, 2020, 01:11:37 PM »

Democrats are losing the Supreme Court messaging war, new polling indicates, with support for Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation trending in the GOP’s direction.

Nearly half (46 percent) of voters in an Oct. 2-4 Morning Consult/Politico poll said the Senate should confirm Barrett — up 9 percentage points since President Donald Trump announced her nomination on Sept. 26 — as more voters say the chamber should consider her elevation to the high court as soon as possible, regardless of who wins next month’s election.


https://morningconsult.com/2020/10/07/amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court-polling/
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #52574 on: October 07, 2020, 01:30:53 PM »
Quote from: NeedsAdjustments on October 07, 2020, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: josh on October 07, 2020, 12:31:49 PM
Huh!

Kid hasn't updated us with what the Rasmussen Report has to say.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/white_house_watch_oct07

Biden takes 12 point lead.

And shockingly enough, RCP hasn't updated either that or the now days old Ipsos report in their averages. How peculiar.

Heh.

The important thing to understand is that National polling will soon be down to +4 Biden, and we all need to now speculate on why that will be.

Ok, to be fair kiidcarter8 could not have predicted the debate disaster (though really, was it that hard to see that coming...) or the guy catching COVID (though, again...) but I don't think polling turns as hard away from Trump as it did if things were trending well for him.  The sympathy vote could very well have been there if Trump hadn't already so badly handled COVID and if he hadn't so badly handled the aftermath of the positive test.  And now The Great Negotiator has completely shat the bed on stimulus talks.

Polling will probably contract again when the crazy news from the week settles down a bit, if it does.  But Trump's attempt to make this election about anything but COVID has failed, and that doesn't bode well for him.  If their best play is going back to Hillary's Russia Hoax (!) then they are sunk.


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