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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53790 on: October 19, 2020, 02:06:51 AM »

I’d be happy simply dispossessing all of his contributors, campaign staff, political and judicial appointees and rewarding that wealth to those who suffered most under trump’s misrule. Trading Places writ large. It’s what the Bible quoters among them have been asking for all along.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53791 on: October 19, 2020, 03:24:47 AM »

As WW2 was ending the French Resistance shaved the heads of French women who had slept with the the murderous psychopath fucking Nazis. to mark their shame for all society to see.

Interestingly, some villages in Eastern Europe did that when the Nazis first blitzed through in order to make their women unattractive and less likely to be sexually assaulted.  Especially important since a lot of the men fled.
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« Reply #53792 on: October 19, 2020, 03:39:50 AM »

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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said Sunday that President Donald Trump is inciting “domestic terrorism” following “lock her up” chants at his rally in the state the night before.

Whitmer told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the rhetoric is “incredibly disturbing” a little more than a week after authorities announced they had thwarted an alleged plot to kidnap the Democratic governor.

The president is at it again and inspiring and incentivizing and inciting this kind of domestic terrorism,” Whitmer said. “It is wrong. It’s got to end. It is dangerous, not just for me and my family, but for public servants everywhere who are doing their jobs and trying to protect their fellow Americans. People of good will on both sides of the aisle need to step up and call this out and bring the heat down.”

Whitmer continues to show that she's tough and a leader.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53793 on: October 19, 2020, 04:57:35 AM »

---NEW YORK — Twitter blocked a post Sunday from an adviser to President Donald Trump who suggested that masks do not work to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Scott Atlas, who joined the White House in August as a science adviser, had tweeted “Masks work? NO,” and said widespread use of masks is not supported.---

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/18/twitter-blocks-atlas-coronavirus-430097



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« Reply #53794 on: October 19, 2020, 06:33:23 AM »

As WW2 was ending the French Resistance shaved the heads of French women who had slept with the the murderous psychopath fucking Nazis. to mark their shame for all society to see.

When we liberate this country from the American Fascists, barbers should be busy for a long time.

They best sharpen their clippers, scissors and razors.   

lol

The violent left can't wait for victory.
According to my tv news tonite many fear civil war (as the barbers come a callin').

One American lady featured on the news was showing all the food/supplies she has stocked up on.
Not shown was the arsenal of guns she and her family have for self defence, just in case of war.

Then a man was shown at a gun range showing his young son what a gun is and teaching him how to shoot it.
Another man shown at a gun range
teaching his 12 yr old son to shoot a handgun.

Tomorrow night part two ...."deep in the woods of Virginia where people are preparing to fight in the civil war".

Streets littered with dead left wing violent 'barbers'...could be.
Everyone copes with war occupation in their own way.
Some sleeping with the occupiers so as to try to survive and have their families survive.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53795 on: October 19, 2020, 06:42:21 AM »

Birx has been disappeared.  Fauci sidelined.  Adams invisible.

Atlas doesn't want masks used because they will prevent infections and delay herd immunity.   If you want everyone to get the virus, than of course you are opposed to masks.  Why doesn't he support full opening and encourage crowds?  Give the Virus a little help.

Kiid has accused some here of rooting for the virus.
Well, Trump's top CV-19 advisor is rooting for the virus, as he wants to achieve herd immunity (which likely requires a 70% or greater infection rate).
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« Reply #53796 on: October 19, 2020, 07:14:51 AM »

Watched 20+ mins of an interview with Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgenson from last week. 
https://reason.com/2020/10/16/jo-jorgensen-requiring-people-to-vaccinate-their-children-is-one-of-the-most-egregious-things-that-the-government-can-do/
She's pretty mediocre.  Even when she starts with an answer I support, her argument veers off into weakness or irrelevance. 

Then there's just nonsense she spouts at times:
JoJo claims both parties are heading towards socialism since they both grow the federal gov't.  Well, I guess if you count national socialism as socialism ... maybe.  But it's kind of comical defining both Trump and Biden as socialists. 

JoJo also claims that the Dems are against freedom because back in 2012 Obama and Hillary were opposed to gay marriage.  Pretty weak sauce.   I'm pretty sure they were supportive of civil unions and were just afraid of getting ahead of popular opinion, which quickly blew past them.  And of course now they are strong backers of gay marriage.  And Jo Jo just weakly lumps Biden in there, acknowledging he never really took any position back then.  So what a big nothing that condemnation was.

She wants to reduce the US military by ending all operations overseas.  Her go to line is making the US a giant Switzerland.  Now you can easily make the case that the US military wastes money, is in way too many countries, and the US military presence often makes things worse.  But there's a huge issue of who fills the vacuum.  Take a look at Libya and Syria if you want to see how things go when the US abdicates and stays on the sidelines.  And it would be an immense gift to Putin and China to expand their regional power, influence, bullying.  She also wants the US to pull out of all international agencies and treaties.I do agree with the Libertarians that the war on drugs is the problem.  And comparing Drug Prohibition to Alcohol Prohibition is instructive.  But the rest of her argument could be tightened up.  She mentioned the racial impact of the drug war.  But should add in the corruption and expansion of police and police powers.  And the utter corruption and devastation of Mexico and Central/South America, fueling violence and immigration to the US.

She asks who do you trust more to make decisions about spending money and shaping society: business or government.  Probably not expecting me to vote government.

She also makes a big deal about education and crime/policing being local issues.
But that seems a recipe for more racism and inequality, corruption and bad decisions.  The Feds got into education mainly because the South were vehemently opposed to integration preferring apartheid America.   Hell, in Virginia one county actually shut down all of their public schools instead of integrating.  Minority rights don't exactly get well-represented or respected at the local level.

Otherwise Jo Jo likes to bring up that she was a teacher for no reason at random moments.  There really seems to be a purist extremism, which I guess you can maintain when you have zero chance of winning.  But I think the Libertarians would be better served by adapting their principles and ideals to the practical task of governing.

 It wasn't mentioned, but my biggest knock would be how they would reduce/remove most gov't regulation on business who could go back to polluting and treating workers as disposable items.  And their Covid policy is basically people can decide what to do and how to protect their own health, which ordinarily is fine, but not when that person could be infectious and potentially infect dozens or even hundreds of others.  You simply don't allow potential Typhoid Marys to walk around in public because they have a right to freedom.  How about others right to health and staying alive.  It's just totally irresponsible and goes against the science and public health, which is exactly one of the core responsibilities of gov't.  Simply put, keeping people alive and healthy and not in danger of dying is way more important than someone else's freedom to not wear a mask in public.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53797 on: October 19, 2020, 07:19:06 AM »

In many ways, Sturgis is an object lesson in the patchwork U.S. response to a virus that has proved remarkably adept at exploiting such gaps to become resurgent. While some states and localities banned even relatively small groups of people, others, like South Dakota, imposed no restrictions — in this case allowing the largest gathering of people in the United States and perhaps anywhere in the world amid the pandemic and creating huge vulnerabilities as tens of thousands of attendees traveled back home to every state in the nation.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/
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« Reply #53798 on: October 19, 2020, 08:19:58 AM »

Libertarian agenda terrible on trade and taxes.
JoJo claims there's a human right to trade with anyone you want.
The very sympathetic interviewer even quickly made her position look bad.
And she'd eliminate federal income tax.  First for individuals, then for companies.
At the same time calling for a balanced federal budget.  The better to halve the federal gov't.

The Libertarian Party candidate posits a corporatist utopia where business basically run the country and make all the decisions.  While government is always a malignant actor and should be sidelined as much as possible.  I don't think she comprehends how immoral and greedy and selfish businesses/top execs are, and how much malfeasance and harm they will rain/reign upon the country if permitted.  I want gov't to leave alone individuals as much as possible (there I'm on board with the Libertarians), but regulate business to keep them from being malign actors.
 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53799 on: October 19, 2020, 09:36:32 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53800 on: October 19, 2020, 09:38:40 AM »

Trump starts week at -7

Last week started at 6 and went to 8.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Still 48% overall approval.

Have to remember, all 50% of those polled finding him unfavorable aren't automatic Biden votes - some will stay the course due to Joe's unimpressiveness, others will stay home
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53801 on: October 19, 2020, 09:52:13 AM »

Biden down 2.4% since Oct 12

https://www.investors.com/news/trump-vs-biden-poll-tightens-2016-voters-ibd-tipp-presidential-poll/

For the benefit of those of us who like our facts with facts...

a) The IDB/TIPP Changes are within their margin of error.

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b) "NO SIGN THAT 2020 IS LIKE 2016
 
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In 2016, almost all presidential polls pointed to a Hillary Clinton victory over Donald Trump. The IBD/TIPP Poll was one of only two election polls credited with predicting President Trump's 2016 surprise showing. TIPP, IBD's polling partner, succeeded in picking up on the greater enthusiasm among Republicans for their candidate.

The latest IBD/TIPP Trump vs. Biden poll has some stark contrasts with the Trump vs. Clinton race. Biden's 10-point lead among independents in the new IBD/TIPP 2020 election poll is a big turnaround from 2016. Trump carried independents 43%-42% in 2016, according to a postelection Pew Research survey of verified voters.

Seniors and suburban voters helped lift Trump to victory in 2016, but the president lags with both groups by double-digit margins in the latest IBD/TIPP Biden vs. Trump poll.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #53802 on: October 19, 2020, 10:09:43 AM »

Good post on Sturgis,  Larry.   I posted that article yesterday,  with a non PW option....


This is about Sturgis,  and a motorcycle enthusiast who was actually able to learn something from his experience.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/17/sturgis-rally-spread/

As the story notes,  his case wasn't counted as Sturgis spread.   All evidence suggests it was.   

And here is a paywall free access to the same story....

https://www.universalpersonality.com/how-the-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-may-have-spread-coronavirus-across-the-upper-midwest/
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« Reply #53803 on: October 19, 2020, 10:10:48 AM »

Yet the lead does dwindle
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« Reply #53804 on: October 19, 2020, 10:11:49 AM »

Brings to mind - name the 3words in English language beginning with dw.
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